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**Enraya** · 08-25-2009, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Hessah

What about those who can sense ghost/spirits...

Just because some of us can't see them, you can't just rule out and say they don't exist...

Sorry, this is slightly off topic...

I saw somewhere (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya... xD) about an idea/thought that the existence of something is limited to the acceptance/knowledge in the human mind. So like... back before North America wasn't discovered, it didn't exist because nobody knew about it. Another example would probably be Leprechaun and Easter Bunny and Santa... to kids that believe they are real, they are. To those that outgrow them, they aren't real anymore. Kind of like the tree that falls when nobody's around... /doesn't know how else to explain it.

I remember that there was a specific name for this kind of thought/theory/idea/etc. Does anyone here know? TT__TT

Originally Posted by Jikanu

as for emperical evidence, i have none but what i feel in my soul. And you'll call that into question and try to disprove what cant be disproved, and i'll try to prove what can only be felt. so there's no real point in debating.

Your feelings aren't enough.

If they were, then there wouldn't be any religious debates in the world. =_=

**Patches** · 08-25-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Enraya

Sorry, this is slightly off topic...

Leprechaun and Easter Bunny and Santa... to kids that believe they are real, they are. To those that outgrow them, they aren't real anymore.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERE!

**Sero** · 08-25-2009, 11:29 AM

hi everyone ;D

Jikanu · 08-25-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Enraya

Your feelings aren't enough.

If they were, then there wouldn't be any religious debates in the world. =_=

...that's kinda what i just said. im not wise enough in the subject, and have know proof. all i know is what i feel, and what i can make out of it. did you notice the last sentence of that? :/

and sec, i know they cant control all of your actions, but they CAN lead you to right and wrong. if you're doing something wrong, you'll get a sense of guilt, will you not?

**Hraesvelg** · 08-25-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

if you're doing something wrong, you'll get a sense of guilt, will you not?

That depends on the society in which one was raised. One culture might see the existence of catamites as "wrong" while another doesn't have a problem with it. Also, see: slavery.

Do you think an Arab feels a sense of "wrong" as he gleefully stones someone to death?

Jikanu · 08-25-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

That depends on the society in which one was raised. One culture might see the existence of catamites as "wrong" while another doesn't have a problem with it. Also, see: slavery.

Do you think an Arab feels a sense of "wrong" as he gleefully stones someone to death?

I dont know. i'm not in their shoes, nor are you. Neither of us know who the actual executioners feel about it. For example, i believe there was one queen in Britain who forgave her executioner, making him feel sadness over what he had to do. Also, nice little bit of propaganda in there with the "Gleefully" part.

**Hraesvelg** · 08-25-2009, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

I dont know. i'm not in their shoes, nor are you. Neither of us know who the actual executioners feel about it. For example, i believe there was one queen in Britain who forgave her executioner, making him feel sadness over what he had to do. Also, nice little bit of propaganda in there with the "Gleefully" part.

Have you ever seen video of a public stoning? This isn't some solemn ceremony carried out by a single executioner. It's a party atmosphere. If "gleeful" doesn't describe many of the participants I don't know what word does.

Jikanu · 08-25-2009, 11:54 PM

i prefer to not watch such things... but i suppose you're right, to a degree.

However, i'll admit... im not yet wise enough to debate such things. i havent read through the whole bible, or any other holy book yet... so till i do, im not really fully armed for such debates.

Jikanu · 08-26-2009, 01:24 AM

Perhaps it's possible for those beliefs can be corrupted. the feelings, and emotions can be corrupted by the more animalistic side of human beings. as Lennon once said, "We're all hitler inside, we're all Christ inside." Humans are, by nature, both good and evil. Therefore, it's possible to distort those feelings and shine light on the bad part of you instead of the good.

**Hraesvelg** · 08-26-2009, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

Perhaps it's possible for those beliefs can be corrupted. the feelings, and emotions can be corrupted by the more animalistic side of human beings. as Lennon once said, "We're all hitler inside, we're all Christ inside." Humans are, by nature, both good and evil. Therefore, it's possible to distort those feelings and shine light on the bad part of you instead of the good.

That's handy. Those that don't ascribe to your moral code have had their "pure" emotions corrupted.

Ever think, just possibly, that you're the one that has a distorted worldview?