Deity Existence

[Jikanu]

Yeah, he's gone back to saying "There's no proof against it, so it could be true, and I know of no other explanation, so it must be true."

Punctuation would really help you out a bit, mate. Unfortunately, Jik's responses shows that he hasn't really read and/or absorbed anything Vasu or I've said thus far. We're really spinning our wheels at this point.

*sigh* not true. im saying there that there IS proof towards a God, but there isnt any real conclusive evidence. there are minor things that suggest his existance, such as the aforementioned Our Lady of Guadalupe, and perhaps the healing of a sick one who seemed on the brink of death, but all of them could be simply dismissed as "Freak Accidents" by some, and therefore not be truely accepted. im saying that there's evidence in this life, just none that conclusively gives us a yes or no answer.

And as for rice writing, the images are extremely complex. here's a quote from wikipedia:


"Photographers and ophthalmologists have reported images reflected in the eyes of the Virgin.[40][41] In 1929 and 1951 photographers found a figure reflected in the Virgin's eyes; upon inspection they said that the reflection was tripled in what is called the Purkinje effect. This effect is commonly found in human eyes.[38] The ophthalmologist Dr. Jose Aste Tonsmann later enlarged the image of the Virgin's eyes by 2500x magnification and said he saw not only the aforementioned single figure, but rather images of all the witnesses present when the tilma was shown to the Bishop in 1531. Tonsmann also reported seeing a small family—mother, father, and a group of children—in the center of the Virgin's eyes.[38] In response to the eye miracles, Joe Nickell and John F. Fischer wrote in Skeptical Inquirer that images seen in the Virgin's eyes are the result of the human tendency to form familiar shapes from random patterns, much like a psychologist's inkblots—a phenomenon known as religious pareidolia.[42]
Richard Kuhn, who received the 1938 Nobel Chemistry prize, is said to have analyzed a sample of the fabric in 1936 and said the tint on the fabric was not from a known mineral, vegetable, or animal source.[38] In 1979 Philip Serna Callahan studied the icon with infrared light and stated that portions of the face, hands, robe, and mantle appeared to have been painted in one step, with no sketches or corrections and no apparent brush strokes.[43]"

And yes, i read the skeptic's claims, but if multiple people have seen it, it's slightly more probably a work of the eyes, not the imagination.