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Old 08-15-2008, 01:59 AM   #1
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What most of this is saying is how the goverment wanted oil
bush plots and is behind 9/11 giving them a "legit" reason to invade Iraq.

There we go thats more or so what i wanted to discuss : D
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:08 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by MikeyG View Post
What most of this is saying is how the goverment wanted oil
bush plots and is behind 9/11 giving them a "legit" reason to invade Iraq.

There we go thats more or so what i wanted to discuss : D
We can't necessarily say its "Bush" who does it. But maybe people under him. No offense to Bush.. but compared to other presidents.. he isn't exactly the most intelligent guy. Or he doesn't look like it.. I mean, if he'll let his speech-maker dudes have him use "democrinization" as a word, and not notice that it isn't a word or think "F that" and try to fix it, I don't feel comfortable.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:09 AM   #3
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Bush is just a puppet. The next guy will be too.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:11 AM   #4
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Exactly, thats why all of the good presidents have been killed, impeached, or almost impeached (referring to Clinton... who I think was a good president). They weren't puppets.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:12 AM   #5
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Kennedy was for a while. Then he realized what he was doing and realized he was hurting the people he wanted to help. Look what happened to him. I think Alex Jones covers Kennedy in one of his videos.
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Originally Posted by MikeyG View Post
What most of this is saying is how the goverment wanted oil
bush plots and is behind 9/11 giving them a "legit" reason to invade Iraq.

There we go thats more or so what i wanted to discuss : D
In invading IRAQ actually will cause a decrease in oil production raising oil prices and causing less oil to be on hand. In return this will cause an increase in end products of oil such as gas for cars. Which if you have looked at the prices at the pumps is exactly what has happened. (well that and the belief that China will need more gasoline in the future than is available)

Thus invading a country to get oil is fail. Thus not the reason it was done.

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Bush is just a puppet. The next guy will be too.
I don't believe the President is a puppet, but I don't think he really has the power to enact real change because of congress. Congress has the real power and they know it... and all the people buying their votes know it too. Don't blame the president for the problems blame the Congress they are the ones passing bills filled with pork and money payoffs.

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Exactly, thats why all of the good presidents have been killed, impeached, or almost impeached (referring to Clinton... who I think was a good president). They weren't puppets.
Please name the good things Clinton got done for the people of the United States.

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Damn straight! Just because someone sleeps with people that they aren't married to doesn't mean he or she can't be a good leader. That whole episode was a ridiculous waste of tax dollars...
No it doesn't. But it should show that if they are willing to break the trust and vows they have given to their spouse that they would be willing to break any promis that they have given to the public. If you know a person is an admitted liar with low morals who can't be trusted, do you want them to lead you and your family.

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You just called us paranoid conspiracy theorists. We are not that. Ha.

We just have seen the evidence and heard the facts >.>

9/11 was an inside job. kthxbai
list evidence and facts... Unfortrunately these sites are blocked at work and I am unable to view them.


Do I think our govenment had anything to do with 911... No not in the slightest. It would have done more for the government to thwart the attempts prior to them happening and then go after whoever was at "fault".

Do I think terrorism is a real threat... Yes, terrorism is a threat but it isn't one that is easily taken out. Because anyone or group can commit terrorism with limited funds and resources. Terrorists aren't trying to change things for the better they are just trying to produce terror.

Does our government have problems... Yes, and without real reform to the congress this will never change. Why is it that the President has only a maximum of 8 years to try and make changes and gets blamed if things go wrong, but congress can sit on their seats for a lifetime and no one blames them for anything. I never hear anyone complain about the job their congress people do. In fact when I ask people they don't even know the names of their congress people.

WOW wall of text sorry.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:43 PM   #8
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I prefer it when Congress gets nothing done. Remember what happens when they DO start doing things? We get lovely things like the PATRIOT Act.
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I don't believe the President is a puppet, but I don't think he really has the power to enact real change because of congress. Congress has the real power and they know it... and all the people buying their votes know it too. Don't blame the president for the problems blame the Congress they are the ones passing bills filled with pork and money payoffs.
I don't think the President is a puppet either. But I do think that the President has plenty of sway. If a President wants to get a bill into Congress, he can't do it himself but he can get someone to do it for him. Also, it has been well-documented that the power of the executive branch has been steadily increasing over the past couple of administrations. The executive branch can do a lot of things without having to resort to Congress.

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Please name the good things Clinton got done for the people of the United States.
A balanced budget, for one. Economic growth, for another. And no, believe it or not, it was not solely due to the Republican's control in Congress. Otherwise, common sense would dictate that a Republican Congress+a Republican president would have left us off in better conditions than we are now...?

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No it doesn't. But it should show that if they are willing to break the trust and vows they have given to their spouse that they would be willing to break any promise that they have given to the public. If you know a person is an admitted liar with low morals who can't be trusted, do you want them to lead you and your family.
*shrug* If you know that a person knows that something is untrue, but tries to espouse it as truth anyway just to achieve his own goals, would you trust that person? Hell. Thomas Jefferson was believed to have a mistress, an belief now backed by DNA evidence, and people regard him rather fondly nowadays, don't they? I do believe there is a difference between what happens in people's private and public lives.

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Does our government have problems... Yes, and without real reform to the congress this will never change. Why is it that the President has only a maximum of 8 years to try and make changes and gets blamed if things go wrong, but congress can sit on their seats for a lifetime and no one blames them for anything. I never hear anyone complain about the job their congress people do.
Actually, Congress does get blamed for a lot of things. :3 I remember reading an article from the Rolling Stones about how the 109th Congress has done very little. It's a good read. Highly recommended. In fact, I'll even find it for you. Worst Congress Ever. And the Democratic majority in Congress received very low approval ratings after the honeymoon period was over because the public blamed them for not accomplishing anything. But the President is the figurehead of the United States--he's a lot easier to blame than 100 senators and 400+ representatives.
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:16 PM   #10
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Actually, Matt Taibbi is a rather interesting columnist to read. I've also seen him quite a few times on Real Time with Bill Maher. Good call.
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