absolute bull sh!t

[AngellicDiety]

Please watch what you guys say about people on this game. Like Blahs said... we do not tolerate flaming nor flame baiting.

I'd like to point out that your two words "flame baiting" are rather generic.

The stuff about piggie is true.

By saying it is on the grounds for flame baiting is only restricting the amount of truth you can actually say.

Just like on the outspark forums.


It's rather annoying seeing the moderating team act like this.


The best communities do nothing to restrict free speach. Even if it is flamitory, they do nothing until it crosses the line of derogitory.

Building these "fluffy" and fake communities are rather rediculous.


I'm sorry for sounding soo harsh, but the fact of the matter is it sickens me to see the moderators of this community behave like the community leaders of the Outspark forums,

Restrict the passage of information.

When something is true, it is true.


Now back to the topic at hand.




















Tell me, do you not know every vulgar word, and set of phrases out there?

In fact, I can name many phrases having been exposed to them when you walk the streets in a downtown metropolis.

Is it not possible for someone to anger you soo incredibly much that you do not think straight?

Is it not possible that in such as situation you can end up using such remarks?


If alcohol is involved the chances become much more likely.






Some questions that should be answered.














At any rate, I dont think Falcomist intends to continue playing after this. I'd be surprised if he did. But, its rather disappointing to loose another friendly level 70 in a population half consisting of greedy and selfish people.

[Laifun]

Wow at this D: Uchi and Falco gone? D:

Looking at the screenshots I do see this happen alot (maybe not to this extent)! But I guess he's the first one to get punished. I guess it does really set the ground though that Outspark won't tolerate this because I always thought Outspark didn't care what went on... screenshots or not...

This is scary D: -zips my mouth-

[Lilian]

I'd like to point out that your two words "flame baiting" are rather generic.

The stuff about piggie is true.

By saying it is on the grounds for flame baiting is only restricting the amount of truth you can actually say.

Just like on the outspark forums.


It's rather annoying seeing the moderating team act like this.


The best communities do nothing to restrict free speach. Even if it is flamitory, they do nothing until it crosses the line of derogitory.

Building these "fluffy" and fake communities are rather rediculous.


I'm sorry for sounding soo harsh, but the fact of the matter is it sickens me to see the moderators of this community behave like the community leaders of the Outspark forums,

Restrict the passage of information.

When something is true, it is true.

^100% agreed.

As for falco and uchi, I know both of them personally. It is difficult to say whether or not it was justified to punish them for this incident, but no matter what, I believe in two things:

first, a player's LEVEL or the amount of cash they spent should NEVER matter when it comes to punishments for misconduct.

however, secondly, I believe a second chance is in order for this type of thing. get a hold of the players that did wrong, make sure they know theyre warned for going against the TOS. Maybe restrict access to the game for a week or two. If they go out of line again they deserve what's coming, but simply wiping out a character/account just like that, is not the way to go.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

I'm sorry for sounding soo harsh, but the fact of the matter is it sickens me to see the moderators of this community behave like the community leaders of the Outspark forums,

Restrict the passage of information.

When something is true, it is true.

If we were to be strict we would have locked this already.

Just to let you know, this fansite was not created for people to come here and flame each other. What you consider to be "true" may not be considered the truth by another. We merely reminded you all not to create any flaming in this thread, because once you have we will be closing it. We do not encourage this thread to be closed if we can. We allow open discussions as long as it does not create any personal conflicts between members of the forums. I am sure most of us are mature enough to carry out an appropriate discussion without the need of "gossiping" and talking about other people.

We are not restricting the passage of information - but the fact that you had thrown a name out there is at the risk of a flame bait. However, if you had said "But, repeated screenshots of guild war abuse by a certain player has yet to get him/her banned.", chances are we wouldn't have said anything at all.

I just want to make that clear.



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Back on topic,

I haven't commented on this subject anywhere yet but it seemed to have caused much more commotion than it should. From that point itself I think the situation was not handled appropriately.

However, although it is true that both sides should be punished, I believe GMs cannot punish the other side unless screenshots have been provided. You cannot put a criminal into jail without solid evidence.

I personally do not agree with what Outspark has done in this situation, but it seems like it can't be helped. The discussion on the official forums are gonna be closed and it looks like they will hear no more of it. It is a shame.

To put in the simplest way, it seems like two Fiesta players had gotten pretty unlucky. =/

[AngellicDiety]

If we were to be strict we would have locked this already.

Just to let you know, this fansite was not created for people to come here and flame each other. What you consider to be "true" may not be considered the truth by another. We merely reminded you all not to create any flaming in this thread, because once you have we will be closing it. We do not encourage this thread to be closed if we can. We allow open discussions as long as it does not create any personal conflicts between members of the forums. I am sure most of us are mature enough to carry out an appropriate discussion without the need of "gossiping" and talking about other people.

We are not restricting the passage of information - but the fact that you had thrown a name out there is at the risk of a flame bait. However, if you had said "But, repeated screenshots of guild war abuse by a certain player has yet to get him/her banned.", chances are we wouldn't have said anything at all.

I just want to make that clear.

Of course this fansite was not created for flamitory purposes. No fansite ever is.

However, you must naturally accept that with any debate there is flaming. Only action need be taken when it becomes derogitory.


Furthermore, that was posted as evidence of outsparks lack of sight.


I'm sorry, but when you defend an argument you do not give wishey washy proofs that can be misinterpretted. Proof must be absolute. There are many guilds who do abuse the guild war feature. Most prominently this individual mentioned.


I did not grow up in your generation, so I do not know what sort of practices or values you hold.

My generation believes to tell it like it is.



Like I said, your term "flame bait" is generic, and the way anything classified under it is handled is similar to the way the community leaders brainwash the community on the outspark forums.


There are bound to be "heated arguments", but to cut them out of a community completely is to return to those "fluffy" communities aformentioned.

[booyah8876]

I did not grow up in your generation, so I do not know what sort of practices or values you hold.

My generation believes to tell it like it is.

I don't know if it's me, or the fact that I've assimilated into German culture && Society... but that's how I believe as well, and people in Germany have a tendency of telling how it brutally is. ^^

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And if it's true that they're not going to hear any more of it... then that's just fked.

That's like judge, jury, and sentencing with only one side of the story D:

I sure hope that they did talk with the other party, and got info needed.

Falcomist was a great player, and although I don't think level or how much money you've spent in a game should get you ban-immunity, I think that they should look at the fact that he's gone this far without having any previous incidents, and to do this suddenly when he's never done it before must've had some kind of bait, or certain problem.

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[Blaaaaaaaah]

Reckon petitions do anything these days for mmorpgs?

[Spirit]

I'd like to point out that your two words "flame baiting" are rather generic.

The stuff about piggie is true.

By saying it is on the grounds for flame baiting is only restricting the amount of truth you can actually say.

Just like on the outspark forums.


It's rather annoying seeing the moderating team act like this.


The best communities do nothing to restrict free speach. Even if it is flamitory, they do nothing until it crosses the line of derogitory.

Building these "fluffy" and fake communities are rather rediculous.


I'm sorry for sounding soo harsh, but the fact of the matter is it sickens me to see the moderators of this community behave like the community leaders of the Outspark forums,

Restrict the passage of information.

When something is true, it is true.

I would like to point out that simply warning you guys to keep it down is not out of our boundaries. We have allowed this discussion without edits, without deletes, without closing the thread. So, these comments are unneccessary. All we did was warn the people posting in this thread so that we would NOT have to take these measures, because we DO allow a lot more freedom on this forum than on the Outspark forum. We are being respectable of the people posting in this thread, please treat us with the same respect.

[+Tequila+]

I would like to point out that simply warning you guys to keep it down is not out of our boundaries. We have allowed this discussion without edits, without deletes, without closing the thread. So, these comments are unneccessary. All we did was warn the people posting in this thread so that we would NOT have to take these measures, because we DO allow a lot more freedom on this forum than on the Outspark forum. We are being respectable of the people posting in this thread, please treat us with the same respect.

Im gonna have to agree with Spirit Lilian and O-mie on this one. In a MMO players in the community with always have opinions about others and will state them. They may do it in irc , ingame or on a fansite as long as its well within the lines of the discussion then theres no need to warn about it. Giving out warnings for something you think might occur is like a police officer pulling someone over because he thinks they might speed. Everything that was said in this thread was well within the scope of the discussion saying that a player does something in game is not flamebaiting. Personally I dont think fansites should be all flowers and no reality.

[Spirit]

Im gonna have to agree with Spirit Lilian and O-mie on this one. In a MMO players in the community with always have opinions about others and will state them. They may do it in irc , ingame or on a fansite as long as its well within the lines of the discussion then theres no need to warn about it. Giving out warnings for something you think might occur is like a police officer pulling someone over because he thinks they might speed. Everything that was said in this thread was well within the scope of the discussion saying that a player does something in game is not flamebaiting. Personally I dont think fansites should be all flowers and no reality.

Oh, then maybe I need to reword what I wrote. Because although, I do agree with your comparison with the police officer, I was not in any way agreeing with the other comments (ALL that were made on the subject of the warnings) that have been made. I was saying that both Yosei and Blaaaahs were justified and well within their limits when they asked people to remember the rules and keep it down.
If you want to use a comparison, we could use speed limit signs. They warn us what the limit is. They are posted multiple times over the same road. If you go even one mile over that limit, the officer has EVERY right to pull you over. Now, some (other sites) may give you a ticket for that one mile over the limit and they are within their laws (rules of the forums). But, others (Fiestafan), will issue you a verbal or written warning and let you continue on your merry way.

Respect our rules and warnings and we will respect you. You would not "call out" a police officer for pulling you over, because your chances of getting out of the ticket will drop drastically.