absolute bull sh!t

**O-mie** · 04-22-2008, 10:26 PM

I'm asking my friend about it, he used to run busou with jeri so he might know what went on. (If the buttface answers his msn D< )

*edit*

He answered. :3

Apparently, this girl from vendetta was leveling in abyss, and some guy from mightys_army came in and kept killing her to take her spot, thus she lost a lot of scrolls adn exp, so she got upset, and other vendetta members came in to help her, and the guy started to talk really badly to the girl (who is falco's gf I believe) and so falco and uchiha_itachi were there and flipped at the guy for what he said, uchi was saying racist remarks and falco agreed and said some of his own, thus both were banned. @_@

Pwning · 04-22-2008, 11:23 PM

Perma-Banned for trash talking? Seems a pretty steep punishment for words, regardless of how sensitive people are.

I gotta tell you, the numerous stories of Outspark's Support staff and situations like this are what's keeping me from spending any money at the CS. lol Why risk it if something I say pisses someone off and I get my IP blocked.

**O-mie** · 04-22-2008, 11:27 PM

Well, it WAS racial remarks, which... I got reprimanded once in PVP because I called my girlfriend a jigger, when she was doing dance emotes. >_> "Too close to another word" I was told. =P

**Ivramire** · 04-22-2008, 11:28 PM

Probably to make an example of Falco, and dissuade further incidents..

There were screen-shots however, but a perma-ban is too harsh especially since the response was provoked and it was probably a first offence.

**O-mie** · 04-22-2008, 11:31 PM

Yeah. x_x

AngellicDiety · 04-22-2008, 11:39 PM

The screenshots only told one portion of the story.

Unfortunately Snake is a bit naive in this sort of situation.

Snake may have dissuaded racism in game, but he's now promoted the abuse of players.

Although it may have been better to have involved the GM's instead of taking action themselves, I can tell you from experience most of the Game Masters ignore you.

They often brush off the problems by simply stating "Well if they can, then its allowed."

User action is not permissable. Game Master action is non existant. Thus, the server is ruled with the quoted term "morons" because the victims always remain victims.

To permanently ban Falcomist, and other members including Uchiha_Itachi, only serve to point out the fact that the Game Masters have no clue whats happening in game.

Like I've said, there has been confrontations on my end with some of these people. Although I wouldn't have resorted to making racist comments, I surely would've warred them.

Although the racism is intolerable, its no excuse to punish one side soo severely when its clear the other side is deserving of equal punishment.

I doubt any Game Masters are lurking the forums at these times, but they really need to begin moderating the game properly. Otherwise when word begins spreading, outspark will see a severe decline in the popularity of their game(s).

I'm sure everyone at outspark knows what bad IGN and GameSpy ratings can do to their image.

IntoTheRain · 04-23-2008, 12:28 AM

what u can expect???

u can say sometimes people are provoqed by others to say things, but WHY RACISM COMMENTS, of course they hav a education problem, they feel superiors but this time GMS did a great job

**Ivramire** · 04-23-2008, 12:31 AM

Nothing that hasn't been said in other GWs :/

Still can't justify what they said but it's still only one side of the story, where are/are there any screenshots of what provoked this?

Perma-ban still seems too harsh, especially for those who were banned for defending people, if defending was all they did.

**Hessah** · 04-23-2008, 12:45 AM

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=15

I guess it's in the ToS.... (although i tried lookin for it the 1st time and couldnt find it.. but Serric pull the relevant bit out)

I think falco is just unlucky to be the 1st to be "executed"... I guess it also acts as a warning to all... (Chinese Proverb: To kill one and warn thousand others)

But yeah... surely there's another side to that... some ppl are good at stepping on the lines and not cross it.. seems like Falco and Uchiha crossed the line....

EDIT: and i agree with SKiNG here...

Originally Posted by SKiNG

Ok, here is the ultimate question to ask your yourself.

Is it so hard to not be racial that you need a 2nd chance to correct yourself?

Maybe it's because my parents raised me this way or my school did a good job on teaching me about equality, but I just can't seem to understand why you would need a second chance after racially harrasing another person. Want a second chance? Make a new character and be good.

Some of you are comparing this to a death sentance. That's not a good comparison since you're not really dying. We're just barring you from our service for breaking our ToS and making ignorant remarks. By allowing you to stay would mean we accept your excessively rude comments.

**Hessah** · 04-22-2008, 11:35 PM

Wow... Outspark only clarified wat "racism" means like 2 days ago, and i'm sure this is the case that brought it up...

they're perm-banning these two guys when it has never been mentioned, clarified before? Not even a warning...?

Originally Posted by lvramire

There were screen-shots however, but a perma-ban is too harsh especially since the response was provoked and it was probably a first offence.

^ Agreed.

They didnt do anything about ppl hacking, but the perm ban ppl who trash talked... O_O

Unless Outspark has received a few reports against Falco... we dont know for sure if it was 1st offence i guess.... =/

But i think its not fair that there was no warnings... not as far as i know anyway