Deity Existence

[Manzcar]

@ Vasu

First of all to go back to your proving a negative. I think that is what you called it, some things are coming a little quick and I am trying to do my job at the same time, so if I am wrong or am using the wrong reference I am sorry. You stated that you saying that you had fairies in your backyard was the same as the Bible. Your first hand account was the same as the one I brought up Moses leading the Jewish people out of Egypt. But your logic is most flawed. I did not say that it was one first hand account for Moses but an entire race of people who saw and agreed to what was written by Moses. So once you get a million people to confirm and swear that they also saw these fairies your statement is logically weak in comparison and in scientific words would be thrown out.

Besides, the Bible has first hand accounts of many people at the same time over thousands of years. It isn’t a one time thing for one person but Thousands of years and millions of people. Some would say scientifically proves it right there. It wasn’t just a one time event. So once again if after thousands of years and millions of first hand accounts to the fairies in your backyard then I will believe with out a shadow of a doubt.

Or is proving a negative saying that you can’t prove God doesn’t exist or it is impossible to prove He doesn’t exist so therefore you don’t have to prove it. Seems like a cop out to me. Because once they thought the world was flat, no proof for or against it. They proved it was round so didn’t they prove the negative. Or am I missing your point all together. Cause it looks like they proved the negative.

To your omnipotent and omniscient argument, I tried to look up your example but was unable to find it. I think it had something to do with creating a rock so heavy it couldn’t be lifted. Which is a cute use of words but in and of itself is illogical with the definitions of the words. The words mean all knowing and all powerful, and have nothing to do with physical strength when describing God. God is spiritual and is all knowing and all powerful spiritual being. It doesn’t mean he can lift the universe with one hand tied behind his back. It means he has all knowledge and all power. Therefore once again your question is illogical with respect to the discussion of God. And scientifically should be thrown out. As far as all knowing goes he makes his decisions and knows the outcome of those decisions so you are wondering why would he had made man knowing that they would sin and be thrown out of the Garden of Eden. But what you miss is he knew that would happen and made sure that there was a way to Him through Jesus Christ. Therefore he knew what actions man would make and He knew He had to do something to save them, which He did.

To your epic rant on beliefs, once again you have taken something out of its context and moved it to another realm. The discussion has been on beliefs on whether a God exists or not. The beliefs stated were for this topic and this topic only on whether God exists. You have once again shown that you are not interested in hearing but only in spouting your beliefs. No one has ever stated that Hitler’s beliefs should be okay or allowed. Personal beliefs of Hitler and whether You agree with them or not was not the discussion. Why do you bring them up.

Is this thread really about people sharing their reasons why they believe in God. Well it looks like every time someone gives a reason you show how their reason is flawed and wrong. Doesn’t look like a discussion to me looks like a debate between believers in God and those who do not believe.

Why do I believe in God? I have a personal relationship with God. I have felt his presence, seen Him work, and viewed His answering my prayers. I have a Bible that shows proof of His existence. The Bible also gives me instructions on how to live, gives me comfort in my trials and tribulations, and give me hope for the future. These are my reasons for believing. And they don’t have to convince you of anything. You have to decide for yourself. I believe your decision is most evident.


@Ralath
The parenting thing is that if man chooses to act against Gods will it is not his fault. People want God to be a Genie that grants wishes and intervenes when we do the wrong thing to save us from ourselves. Just because God doesn’t do that doesn’t mean He doesn’t love us or want us to come to Him. As in the Parents thing my parents taught me how I should be. When I got older I made my own choices to do what I wanted to do even though it went against their wishes. God wants us to have a personal relationship with Him but he isn’t going to force it on you. He let’s us make our own decisions. He has given us a way to Him, but we have to actually choose us. And our reward is not on this earth. But I digress on the topic.


HMMM people who believe in the big bang ran the tests compiled the information and then said it supports their theory. HMMM using your logic they shouldn’t be believed either and therefore no one should believe in the big bang. That is what your saying right. Since the ones who believe in the theory wrote the papers and did the gathering of information are one in the same they can not be trusted and therefore their findings should be labeled as worthless.