Crossbow vs. Bow - Page 6

Phibrizzo · 02-21-2008, 12:02 PM

you probably got killed because she has high str, the extra aim/evasion would help a lot in fist fights against other high evasion characters too.

SPR won't do you much in this case since you're not using the SP pool nor the mDef bonuses. END would do fine but it's not much yet to make that a difference.

**Enraya** · 02-21-2008, 12:17 PM

Yeah, I know about the STR thing.
She was hitting me for 16 each time, so it's pretty obvious it came from STR.

It's the same reason why mages aren't good at fist punch fighting, LOL.

lightspring · 02-21-2008, 12:41 PM

well i'm lv40 and was bored, went battleground and met a lv52 cleric
fist punched with her with armour
i was hitting 1 every time but not missing
she hit me abt 30 but only hit once in 3-4 times... enough for me to shoom to regain hp
well it would be a fight that lasted about forever, so we gave up^^
but dex helps in pvp, yeah.

**Enraya** · 02-21-2008, 01:21 PM

xD
Well, I suppose that you can argue for any of the stats ...
And argue against it as well =3=

**Sero** · 02-28-2008, 08:48 AM

What do you use Enraya? lol

selezen · 08-04-2008, 04:38 AM

I did a little test today on some grave robbers with my lv 25 archer. i have both an x-bow and a bow in my inventory, both were the lv 20 req. any way i went and strting shooting at the robbers and i averaged about 65 dmg with the bow and about 80 with the x-bow. now for the math.

bow attack rate: 1.1
x-bow attack rate: 1.4

you'll find that the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) for the two numbers is 15.4.

Bow: 15.4 divided by 1.1 = 14 shots
x-bow: 15.4 divided by 1.4 = 11 shots

ok now all we have to do is total it up.

Bow: 14 x 65 = 910 dmg
x bow: 11 x 80 = 880 dmg

now this doesnt include the crit rate, but i do think it shows that the .3 second difference is a large one. however, to be fair, lets factor in the crit rate.

so x-bows have a 6% critical. so, 0.06 x 11 = 0.66
that means we have an additional 66% of 1 attack to add on to our total seeing we dont have a full critical.

80 x 0.66 = 52.8

so now the totals are...

bow:910
x-bow: 932.8

oh wait, what about the bow criticals! which as we all know are 4%

0.04 x 14 = 0.56

0.56 is the amount of times you'd critical with a bow in 14 shots. that means we have an additional 56% of 1 attack to add on to our total seeing we dont have a full critical.

65 x 0.56 = 36.4

and now the moment of truth... the final totals.

bow:946.4
x-bow: 932.8

my reaction to this was something like ZOMG WTF!?!? because i always thought that bows did significantly less dmg however it seems to be a lot different than that. no matter your attribuites because those do not vary from bow to bow, and no matter your skills because those as well are consistant, it seems to me that the .3 second difference is all it takes. whether you spam skills or not you will still have the same dmg increase for both bows. infact, the bow may be better for spamming because the attacks will be closer together. before i did this i thought the x-bow was the easy winner, but now my mind is changed.

please post feedback to this.

**Ralath** · 08-04-2008, 04:56 AM

I will never settle for only 6% crit on my xbow. Just can't do it. Usually I don't buy an xbow unless it has at least 8% crit. 7% if it has nice stats and the price is right.

Right now, my xbow has 11% crit on it.

Also, IMO skill spamming does tend to make a difference because then the .3 attack speed difference doesn't count anymore.

But I've always thought the general consensus was that bow was better if you don't skill spam and xbow is better if you do.

**Sero** · 08-04-2008, 10:14 AM

Best you can get is a +9 crossbow with 9% critical rate. Unless it's stats are INT sh*t.

**Vasu** · 08-04-2008, 02:31 PM

Nice work...but those figures might change from monster to monster.

selezen · 08-04-2008, 07:12 PM

thanks vasu.
btw you're absolutely right the dmg will vary from monster to monster however the difference of dmg between the bows will remain the some because the armor for the particular monster will be consistant. and the cross bow is probably better for a 25 spr or more build because it will have a good tendancy to do a more frequent and powerful critical. the difference in dmg between the bows is so small is does come down to skill usage, with the x-bow you get far more "bang for your buck" than you would the bow. and this test was done with only lv 20 bows, the dmg difference will be different probably with lv 30, 40, 50 etc. bows. in a few days once im lv 30 i'll do another similair test.

ps. if anyone wants to see a lv 30 post i'd be happy to recieve power lvling from you if you wanted to speed up the process... lol