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10-17-2007, 11:53 PM
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Fire Mushroom
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2Hand Sword Builds?
Hey, I'm totally new and is interested in becoming a 2hand sword master... what builds are all u 2 handers using? Thanks in Advanced.
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10-17-2007, 11:59 PM
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Naiad Demon
In-Game Name: Renin
Current Level: Renin- TEVA THE RENIN ON BIJOU IS A IMPOSTER
Server: SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!
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note to self...MAKE THAT GOD DAM FIGHTER GUIDE ALREADY.
Well technically there isn't really a 2hander specific build, just fighter builds.
What MOSTLY every fighter goes regardless of weapon is
full end or 25 spr and end.
5-10 points of dex is optional but helpful
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T TOUCH STR.
If you need skill builds lemme know..
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10-17-2007, 11:59 PM
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Will you be mine ?
In-Game Name: DieRomantiic
Current Level: 20
Server: Teva
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Hmm well any build can use anyway weapon really.
I don't see a true 2h only build tho, maybe str.
But then again the axe is stronger if I recall.
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10-18-2007, 12:01 AM
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Naiad Demon
In-Game Name: Renin
Current Level: Renin- TEVA THE RENIN ON BIJOU IS A IMPOSTER
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I know i've been a BIG supporter of axes..but i've found swords somewhat better in comparison to axes when it comes to grinding.
Faster attacks and accuracy= consistent damage while the axe is really inconsistent
IMO: 2handed for pve especially against red monsters. Axe for pvp and pve against yellow monsters.
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Renin- 5x warrior-Guild master Mont'Ka
Warslave= Not a person who is enslaved and sent to war to die but a person who is a slave to war itself.
Self Proclaimed Fighter Advocate
The meaning of victory is not to defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his every achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can recover. That is the meaning of victory.
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10-18-2007, 02:15 AM
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Angry Wolf
In-Game Name: Theia
Current Level: 4x
Server: Theia-World
Posts: 99
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Note to self. Renin is everywhere.
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10-18-2007, 03:09 AM
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Naiad Demon
In-Game Name: Renin
Current Level: Renin- TEVA THE RENIN ON BIJOU IS A IMPOSTER
Server: SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!
Posts: 807
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You just acknowledged i was god?? O_O where have YOU been?
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Renin- 5x warrior-Guild master Mont'Ka
Warslave= Not a person who is enslaved and sent to war to die but a person who is a slave to war itself.
Self Proclaimed Fighter Advocate
The meaning of victory is not to defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his every achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can recover. That is the meaning of victory.
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10-18-2007, 05:46 AM
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Spider
In-Game Name: Unbanned
Current Level: 28
Server: Teva
Posts: 333
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Originally Posted by rokaraged
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I know i've been a BIG supporter of axes..but i've found swords somewhat better in comparison to axes when it comes to grinding.
Faster attacks and accuracy= consistent damage while the axe is really inconsistent
IMO: 2handed for pve especially against red monsters. Axe for pvp and pve against yellow monsters.
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i've actually found switching between them to be incredibly useful.
i use 1h+shield for party tanking, axe for pvp, and then i use sword for soloing but i have axe and 2hsword on hotkey and i switch to axe for skills then switch back to sword.
It deals some pretty nasty damage too.
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10-18-2007, 06:33 AM
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Hero Slime
In-Game Name: Leavthian
Current Level: 3x
Server: Teva
Posts: 12
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Sounds troublesome...but i guess it makes use of the full potential of a fighter
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10-18-2007, 06:57 AM
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Hero Slime
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As a fighter, i think its extremely necessary to keep all three types of weapons. I'm going to pull in a few numbers i ran on Outspark Forums a while ago to see if it helps you.
I ran the calcs again, trying to take into account strength as well in a very exaggerated fashion:At Level 36:
138 Base Str, which is straight from my level 36 warrior.
IF we assume this is a full STR warrior (not a smart move, but for the sake of calcs): +36 Str = 174 Str * 1.2dmg = 208.8
Bri. Sword 45-78 (61.5 avg) + 208.8STR = 270.3/1.1sec = 245.7 DPS
Crusader 108-154 (131 avg) + 208.8STR = 339.8/1.3sec = 261.4 DPS
Hide Axe 170-235 (202.5 avg) + 208.8 STR = 411.3/1.5sec = 274.2 DPS
The AIM disparity is still about 10-15, which is not big. I disregarded the crits, as i figured the 1% difference in base makes only a small change, making the axe look a tiny bit better and 1HS a bit worse. These numbers should generally hold true for the 30s range of levels.
Denns has a point: these numbers look much, much closer. With some reasonable damage buffs (vitality, + STR items), its possible for 2HS to outdamage the Axe in the 3x level range, though i would say its not common (keep in mind that fighters are rarely full STR). At 4x, if the ratios stay the same for damage, the 2HS will begin to overtake the axe in terms of raw swinging DPS.
However, there are several things to consider: Skills have 0 lagtime. Which means in terms of PvP, where most of the attacks are a burst of skills, Axes hold a much greater advantage. In addition, SPR warrior builds will better utilize the axe due to the higher base damage used in the critical multiplier. From this, i can try to draw several conclusions:
- the Sword/Shield fighter is the better tanker hands down, this discussion is mostly between 2HS vs. Axe. Note, though, that the power hit is slightly more powerful than Slice and Dice.
- the Axe seems to dish out more damage in the 20-40 range of levels.
- the 2HS will do more damage over time 40+ due to quicker attack speed, and increased influence of Str.
- Str builds favor faster attack speeds, because it diminishes the impact of a weapon's base damage.
- Axes are capable of dealing out far more damage in a short burst of time vs. the 2HS, due to the usage of skill bursts.
So my recommendations:
- If you want to primarily function as a tank, use a shield. Period.
- For a typical 1:1 STR:END fighter, switching to a 2HS in the 30s or 40s will deal out more damage.
- For a 1:1 END:SPR fighter, the axe will be better through the 30s and 40s due to less STR influence and greater crit utilization.
- For PvP, axes will be better period. Damage over time is less significant compared to how much damage you can deal in a very condensed amount of time.
These findings actually sort of change my mind on how to work things when i hit the 40 range. I may heavily consider changing to a 2HS, holding an axe for PvP.
Something important to keep in mind, though, is that this game only loosely holds you to one type of weapon. Masteries in themselves are actually relatively weak in effect, and you should feel free to switch weapons to suit your condition. I believe that even every DPS fighter should pack a sword/shield of the appropriate level range to tank should the situation call for it. Likewise, it would seem wise now to pack a decent axe for PvP, and utilize a 2HS for grinding. This is moot, of course, if your 2HS is +6 and your axe is +1, or vice versa.
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10-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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Spider
In-Game Name: Unbanned
Current Level: 28
Server: Teva
Posts: 333
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Originally Posted by Levathian
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Sounds troublesome...but i guess it makes use of the full potential of a fighter
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not really.
if they are set to hotkeys, its a simple tap of a number or right click on a square, easy really.
I picked the Idea up off of O-mie who uses an Xbow for skills and a regular bow for normal play.
i also have a 2h sword but it doesn't deal as much damage as the axe, so i dont use it. According to LFK, however, I'll be trading my axe in for a sword around level 40.
But really, trying to maintain a versatile fighter is expensive. buy 3 seperate types of mastery levels really adds up.
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