Low level in KQ = selfish?

[Lafieru]

Something I've thought about a lot, but especially more recently, now that I've started joining Mini Dragon KQs. BTW, what I'm about to say may be considered very harsh, but people that know me know that I'll rarely be "mean" without a reason. Also, I'm horribly pretentious, so that certainly plays a factor. ^_^

My argument: If you frequently join KQs at a low level, you are being selfish. You will not be able to contribute your share to the group, and you will actually take away chances of higher levels, which are crucial to KQ success, to join.

This argument especially applies to the harder KQs (e.g. Robo), and especially especially to Mini Dragon, as there's only one MD KQ per 2 hours.

So I won't be seen as a hypocrite, I personally never joined a MD KQ until last night, as a level 51 cleric. I would've possibly waited longer too, if I was a different class and I wasn't joining along with guildies.

So anyway, do I feel that, for example, everyone has to be level 51 to join MD KQ or else they're the most evil person alive? Of course not - waiting all the way until 51 was my personal choice. But, for example, joining Robo KQ every two hours as a level 33 fighter? Still not the most evil person alive, but maybe #2 or 3.

Thoughts? Comments? Death threats? Let me hear them. =)

[Falcomist]

I agree newbs are selfish as well, however there is nothing we can do to stop this XD.

When u see Jericho and I yelling at ppl telling them what to do, it makes up for them being in the 40's and that were trying to help PASS the KQ for EVERYONE so that its not a waste of a trip from Uruga to Elderine.

I dont like yelling at ppl telling them what to do in the mini dragon KQ but HEY u wanna pass? just follow our instruction and the awards u get will be hopefully good.

People that complain that we yell at them and such I WANT TO SEE U help 10 ppl+ in telling them what to do ESPECIALLY if its there first time...

So yes people are selfish but i guess us high lvls have to make up for it in the end anyways...

BUSO RENKIN FTW!!! lol

[x0x00x0x]

Just because you're a low level in a KQ doesn't mean you're selfish, nor a complete waste.

Everyone contributes in some way, especially clerics who can heal (which is especially helpful to tanks, which are a main part of the mission). Any damage given is another step towards victory.

I've participated in KQ from the time I was able to. It's a lot of fun and hate missing out on even one, though I can't be on every other hour all day. @.@

I'm all for helping lower levels in KQ, and even encourage it to those scared to enter one in fear of disappointing their party or something.

So it takes a few more minutes to complete the KQ die to lack of skills from the lower levels, but it's not necessarily selfish.

[Lilian]

Just because you're a low level in a KQ doesn't mean you're selfish, nor a complete waste.

Everyone contributes in some way, especially clerics who can heal (which is especially helpful to tanks, which are a main part of the mission). Any damage given is another step towards victory.

The point remains, however, that in KQ there are people who are merely "there" (for the reward and exp) and then there are people who make the difference between whether the KQ succeeds or not.

I'm not at all against people entering KQs whenever the game allows them to, I'm merely saying the chances of actually succeeding do dramatically change based on who enters.

The very first KQ, King Slime, becomes available at level 6 I believe... what do you think would happen if one day you joined on your level 6 character, but everyone else of the 14 other people were also level 6? yeah, I'm guessing there'd be quite a few "wtf" and "lol" in the chat box. :P

[x0x00x0x]

xD

Would be quite a bit of lvling before reaching the first level of the mountain.

But yes, leechers are a totally different matter. :[
I joined a Mara KQ and we had 3 people stay at spawn.
Not sure if they got any exp or anything, but that still pissed me off.

[Destrus]

king slime is lvl 5...

anyways, it's kinda the developers' fault for giving the quests for that kq starting at that minimum level and for setting the minimum level so low that anybody that joins at that level can't really do much at all. so i wouldn't call people who join then selfish unless the only reason tehy do it is for a free ride. the thing that a lot of people like best is being able to join kq's so they do it as soon as they can or some to complete quests at those levels. i know i would never wait tostart the gold hill quests since it always takes me forever to get the golden bugs (lvl 25 now and only have 6, been in like 4 gold hills)

[Loveless]

I don't think it's so much the level of the character as it is the level of the brain controlling it. There can be higher leveled characters who can't tank if their life depended on it... while a person who is maybe 5-10 level below them will try their best to help the team. You shouldn't consider low leveled = selfish. Because whomever those low leveled ones you met that you considered selfish will eventually just become high leveled selfish people.

ie. The Honeying KQ, I've heard that to win the KQ with flying colors you need a good tank, 1-2 clerics, and the rest mages. But does that mean Archers should never join because the rest considered them to be of no use? I just think people who think that way are selfish.

[AngellicDiety]

Whilst I agree that you really shouldn't attempt a loaded Minidragon until 50, it seems a bit arrogant to say that Low levels in the KQ are selfish. If you take the time to reread your original post the tone itself indicates:

1) Frustration which is completely understandable.
2) Some bitterness for loosing which is completely understandable.
3) Some sadness that people just dont get that they arent ready which is understandable.
4) Some Selfishness yourself...

You categorize most of the entrance levels as useless, which I myself am guilty of during some of the Robo King Quests. But at the same time you, sound a little selfish yourself caring only about the success of the KQ - indirectly referring to the approximate thirty-thousand experience point reward.

Whilst I completely agree that being 50 helps, I dont think its fair to categorize the entrance levels as selfish when I guarantee you, almost all of us are selfish in the respect that we are caring about the treasure chest and large sum of experience...

[Spirit]

I posted this in a similiar thread where classes were being argued, and yes I realize that it has nothing to do with KQs; however, the same theory could be applied to levels as with classes.....

My personal opinion. GMs > ALL of us combined!!!!

Also, WHY can we (and I say we, so as not to point any one person out in general) can we not just accept that everybody has their PREFERRED character they play. They play this character because THEY like it. It does not make any other class better than the other, it does not make any other class worse than the others. It is an on-line game meant to be played with other people and other classes. This means all classes have their weaknesses and strengths. Together we can kick ass against the mobs, alone we can do the same but it is easier and more fun when you have friends to help you. I will stop here before I get in trouble.

[O-mie]

^Agreed