+damage in the freestat window

[Icy]

They really do add on to the actual damage you inflict. This means it is unaffected by modifiers such as monster defense. I tested this out on an Orc with a sub level 10 archer, and for every extra STR I add I did 1 more damage. With such a huge discrepancy between the Orc's defense and my pathetic display damage, I can only attribute the damage increase solely to the +STR.

I just thought this might interest people who favour +SPR over +STR. For maximum actual damage: the amount of extra damage from critical hits, spread out over a large number of hits, cannot match the +damage from +STR until your average actual damage exceed 1000 by a margin. While this might be done versus things half your level, in normal circumstances you can only dream about 4 digit average damage.

At level 50, 55 points into STR would give a whooping 66 extra damage per hit, which is independent of the thing you're attacking. I'd think that means a lot to clerics hammering things by themselves.

I suspect the +Mdamage from +INT works the same too.

It would seem full INT mage > Fission

[ThievingSix]

Well...Hitting orcs at 400 dmg(guessing, fighters at level 50 correct me), 50 extra damage isn't..that much. Especially when you got an extra 5% crit and are doing 2-3 crits per monster..

400..400..800.800.400.
450..450..450..450..450

[Icy]

Well...Hitting orcs at 400 dmg(guessing, fighters at level 50 correct me), 50 extra damage isn't..that much. Especially when you got an extra 5% crit and are doing 2-3 crits per monster..

400..400..800.800.400.
450..450..450..450..450

Statistics wise you're wrong. Don't forget that you also have other sources of crit% that contribute to a higher degree to your number of criticals.

Also, 400 damage? Really? That's a ****load more than mages.

[ThievingSix]

Statistics wise you're wrong. Don't forget that you also have other sources of crit% that contribute to a higher degree to your number of criticals.

Also, 400 damage? Really? That's a ****load more than mages.

Well, not really. My archer gets at least 1 crit every 2 monsters....and thats not even 1/2 the percentage I'll be at in the next two levels. My cousin is a SPR fighter he gets plenty of crits(at least one per kill)...

Also, my level 38 cleric gets about 50-130 dmg on orcs...I would suspect that a fighter at 50+ would get much more than that just by how fast I've seen them kill...

[AngellicDiety]

Statistics wise you're wrong. Don't forget that you also have other sources of crit% that contribute to a higher degree to your number of criticals.

Also, 400 damage? Really? That's a ****load more than mages.

400 damage isn't a lot for a fully complete license. I hit 400 regular (500-600 with a successful fatal slash) with a completed orc-license. Crits can reach 2200 damage (Power hit crit.) Since power hit is the second in my skill spam if both Fatal Slash crits along with Power Hit its a 2-hit kill.

And yes, this was mentioned quite awhile ago on the fighter forums. Damage bonus is applied after defense and strength calculations are taken into account.

[Albireo]

well if ur lvl 50 you could have 25+ SPR and around 25+ INT/STR (not sure how many bonus you get) but if you do that then the crit is added to that 25 more damage and you get crit a lot more so i would think a fusion would be best.
BTW what was your archers base str at the time because im pretty sure bonus points affect damage differently depending on base, might be wrong though.
Id like more evidence with som1 at a higher lvl.

[ThievingSix]

well if ur lvl 50 you could have 25+ SPR and around 25+ INT/STR (not sure how many bonus you get) but if you do that then the crit is added to that 25 more damage and you get crit a lot more so i would think a fusion would be best.
BTW what was your archers base str at the time because im pretty sure bonus points affect damage differently depending on base, might be wrong though.
Id like more evidence with som1 at a higher lvl.

Like I said 25 extra damage isn't a lot when your already critting for 2200...

[rokaraged]

They really do add on to the actual damage you inflict. This means it is unaffected by modifiers such as monster defense. I tested this out on an Orc with a sub level 10 archer, and for every extra STR I add I did 1 more damage. With such a huge discrepancy between the Orc's defense and my pathetic display damage, I can only attribute the damage increase solely to the +STR.

I just thought this might interest people who favour +SPR over +STR. For maximum actual damage: the amount of extra damage from critical hits, spread out over a large number of hits, cannot match the +damage from +STR until your average actual damage exceed 1000 by a margin. While this might be done versus things half your level, in normal circumstances you can only dream about 4 digit average damage.

At level 50, 55 points into STR would give a whooping 66 extra damage per hit, which is independent of the thing you're attacking. I'd think that means a lot to clerics hammering things by themselves.

I suspect the +Mdamage from +INT works the same too.

It would seem full INT mage > Fission

ALL This has been pointed out before...Especially in the fighter section


Except recently...
Thing is though i just figured out a few days ago the [U]extra damage can CHANGE [U]

The other day freak (who has +25 str as he said) was punching me for 23 damage in a gw. If math was correct he SHOULD have hit for 25+ damage...




AS FOR THE SPR VS STR ARGUEMENT
the spr points is meant mainly for pvp purposes. 25 spr translates into 30 damage points in strength which in pvp or LATER GAME is worthless. the extra crit keeps it's use/advantage later on in the game since its a PERCENTAGE rather then a direct sum.

Mathwise str is at most beneficial in grinding and for 1handed sword users since the damage bonus happens MUCH more frequently.

While as you said on normal circumstances the 4 digit damage is rare but with a PROPERLY built crit setup the effects of spr can be devastating in Pvp.
Just comebine a
9% crit axe
+5% from license
+5% from spr
+2% from earrings
and if your paying
+25% from cash shop tuxedo


Thats over 40% crit rate
When your a fighter SPAMMING SKILLS IN PVP the crits would be consistent and DEVASTATING.

In response to anyone who thinks the extra damage from STR is worthless. Remind yourselves what 5% crit really means, because calculation tells me that if you had just 25 points to spare, that unless your average, not your show-off, damage, exceed 1200, those extra 5% damage < 30 extra damage every hit. If you think you do critical hits a lot, it is not wholly to the credit of +crit% from +SPR, because your other sources of crit% > bonus crit% from +SPR (with particular reference to an axe with maxed Orc License).

I have seen someone mentioning the direct addition of +damage before but I can't find it anymore =/

Purely informative post.

As i said before later on in the game the bonus 30 damage would become VERY neglibile its great trade off for a pretty good crit rate increase

[MaxOff]

let do a little bit math:

i assume that crits double the resulting damage(after defence)

25spr gives 25*0,2% crit = +5%crit = +2,5%dmg
25str gives 25*1,2min dmg = +30min dmg

k now let us find the damage where +25spr and +25str give the same bonis
x = 30/0.025 = 1200. //simple percent calculation

And so we know that +25str gives better results when the avg dmg is under 1200. And +25spr gives better dmg if the avg dmg is above 1200.

But we must remember that +25str is more reliable.

Note: It is possible that the free stats are also part of the basic stats. If that the case +25str will additionally raise the str just like a ring with the same value

Edit: just saw someone else posting that stuff nvm then

[Icy]

ALL This has been pointed out before...Especially in the fighter section

Repeating the same messages drills things into people's heads. Plus... This doesn't only apply to fighters. AND, there's one thing that's always in any discussion about stat points I've seen, and that thing is bias, bucket loads of it. That's why my original post was pretty concise and if you read through it again, you'll probably pick up more things!

As i said before later on in the game the bonus 30 damage would become VERY neglibile its great trade off for a pretty good crit rate increase

"VERY neglibile" compared to what? Compared to the combined crit%, hell yes. Compared to the additional 5% from +25SPR, no, I don't think so. This is what I'm trying to convey, the fact that the tiny damage IS actually significant compared to the 5% crit. NOT all your fantastic crit% combined.

In the PvP context, your opponent will have some tweaks from the freestat thingy, something that monsters don't have. You can't expect to do the same sort of damage you do to monsters :O

AS FOR THE SPR VS STR ARGUEMENT
the spr points is meant mainly for pvp purposes. 25 spr translates into 30 damage points in strength which in pvp or LATER GAME is worthless. the extra crit keeps it's use/advantage later on in the game since its a PERCENTAGE rather then a direct sum.

Mathwise str is at most beneficial in grinding and for 1handed sword users since the damage bonus happens MUCH more frequently.

Read what I said about the cut-off minimum average damage you need to be doing before that <quote>PERCENTAGE</quote> start to work its wonders. It's 1200. From watching fighters take it out on one another, it seems the higher the level the less significant the damage they inflict on one another. Certainly NOT 1200 a hit. I recall your guildies hitting me with axes when I was 10 levels lower, and being a mage in the 40s, it took a few hits to chop my mushroom.

I actually did a huge table on the effective bonus damages with 3 parameters, so the number crunching doesn't agree with you =/ Don't forget too, there are clerics around and they have much lower base STR than you do.

This is all hypothesizing and I find it rather amusing that people often jump straight to conclusions, even so firmly.