Deity Existence

[Jikanu]

i never said that o-o

He makes us innocent. it's society that corrupts us. and the things that are immoral usually cause harm to society; being promiscuous leads to std's. murder is obvious. etc.

he has a plan, it's up to us to follow it

[Hraesvelg]

He makes us innocent.

Does he? As a Catholic, I would have thought you would be familiar with the concept of Original Sin.

[Jikanu]

Of course, we have original sin, but we also are born as innocent beings; Ever hear of when Jesus said "come to me as children do"?

[Vasu]

i never said that o-o

He makes us innocent. it's society that corrupts us. and the things that are immoral usually cause harm to society; being promiscuous leads to std's. murder is obvious. etc.

he has a plan, it's up to us to follow it

If he makes us innnocent, then why aren't we all born in the garden of Eden with fig leaves covering our privates?

EDIT: Sorry I was late.

EDIT 2: So we're innocent, but we're sinful?

[Jikanu]

no. we're innocent at heart, but choices bring you to sinhood; it's instant pleasure vs. longlasting happiness; a party mentality (i.e. do whatever you want and die out quickly) vs. a more long lasting one

[Vasu]

no. we're innocent at heart, but choices bring you to sinhood; it's instant pleasure vs. longlasting happiness; a party mentality (i.e. do whatever you want and die out quickly) vs. a more long lasting one

So we have no original sin?

[Jikanu]

i was addressing the sin we have from choice.

Original sin is inherent; it's something we're born with, not a choice; it's a sin that can be easily purged.

From then on out, however, children are innocent. they're open to God and have no evil in their hearts.

EDIT: are you well versed with the Garden of Eden? People were completely innocent and riteous until corrupted by satan, causing a chain reaction in which society became corrupt. it allowed sin to enter the world. Therefore, the assumption that we are born without any intent of harming anyone isnt theologically implausible.

[Vasu]

i was addressing the sin we have from choice.

Original sin is inherent; it's something we're born with, not a choice; it's a sin that can be easily purged.

From then on out, however, children are innocent. they're open to God and have no evil in their hearts.

You know, something about this original sin bothers me. Why is it that I carry the sin of someone else?

EDIT: Be back tomorrow.

[Jikanu]

It's because our ancestors commited sins, apparently. not everyone accepts that as doctrine. im not extremely well versed on original sin, honestly. However, according to wikipedia, Catholicism regards it as "the general condition of lack of holiness". So basically, we're born unholy, but innocent, none the less.

[Senyx The Soulless one]

One mistake, And humanity got f00ked in the arse.

They would never had done it if god had not singled it out "Don't eat THAT PARTICULAR FRUIT!"

Ahh, but now we have to WORK to get somewhere in life. Too bad.