Deity Existence

[Hraesvelg]

You sure like covering old ground. I don't know all the answers. Ergo, I don't make them up out of whole cloth.

[Jikanu]

I must ask, though, why's it ok for YOU not to know all the answers, but when i dont, my theory's an absolute farce? please, explain your logic to me.

[Ralath]

I think this was covered a long time ago.

See: Burden of proof and proving a negative.

[Hraesvelg]

It's because you are claiming to know the answers. You've made several claims about the existence, behavior, and motivation of a being/deity that has supposedly created the universe we live in. You've even gone so far as to excuse genocide done in the name of said deity by being sure that the souls of the slaughtered were ushered right in to eternal rest.

These assertions are wishful thinking at best and willful ignorance at worst.

[Jikanu]

Just saying that there's a hole in your theory, just as you claim there's holes in mine.

Anyway, i digress. back on topic:

Explain to me why, if there's suck insurmountable proof of no existance of a God or Goddess, why is it that there's still many many many more who DO believe than not?

EDIT: didnt see hrae's post. Once again, the word you're looking for is faith. i have FAITH That there's something more. i have FAITH That Whichever God is up there is merciful. I have FAITH that if there was a mass genocide (which wasnt really the case, seeing as all that happened was durring war, usually not started by isreal, but by some country taking over and enslaving them and preventing any form of monotheistic worship) that he would guide the souls of the innocent to heaven.

[Ralath]

Not sure what that argument has anything to do with anything. That's a sociological question and not a religious one.

There was once upon a time when slavery was viewed as the correct way society worked but that didn't make it right either.

[Hraesvelg]

That's a really interesting question, one that could fill up pages of discussion of its own. It involves evolutionary biology (cognitive neuroscience) coupled with anthropology and statistics. I'm perfectly willing to try and explain if you're willing to do the reading.

[Jikanu]

^ Perhaps you're correct, but still, there's plenty of people on the planet who are just as smart as you, or hrae, or vasu, and still believe in religion, and still think freely. why is that?

sorry, that was directed at Ralath.

Anyway, Hrae, my point is not that people naturally believe in God, but people who think freely, and are as intelligent as you or any atheist, and who have mulled this over, still believe. Why do you think that is?

[Vasu]

Just saying that there's a hole in your theory, just as you claim there's holes in mine.

Anyway, i digress. back on topic:

Explain to me why, if there's suck insurmountable proof of no existance of a God or Goddess, why is it that there's still many many many more who DO believe than not?

Argumentum ad Populum.

But as Hrae mentioned, it also in a strange way involves Evolution. Dawkins deals with it in an interesting way in "The God Delusion". I can sum it up for you if you like.

EDIT: didnt see hrae's post. Once again, the word you're looking for is faith. i have FAITH That there's something more. i have FAITH That Whichever God is up there is merciful. I have FAITH that if there was a mass genocide (which wasnt really the case, seeing as all that happened was durring war, usually not started by isreal, but by some country taking over and enslaving them and preventing any form of monotheistic worship) that he would guide the souls of the innocent to heaven.

I was just about waiting for you to degenerate to this level, no offence meant. You have basically admitted that there is no proof but you believe it for personal reasons, because it seems right. God's malevolence is staring at you in the face and you put a mask on it and say something unfounded to cover it up. I just CANNOT prove anything to you now. I am using the BIBLE the book you claim is 100% true, to prove something to you, and you claim something that isn't really in it, and say that you have FAITH that it happened. Well, I also have FAITH that invisible pink unicorns exist. That doesn't make me right.

[Jikanu]

Argumentum ad Populum.

But as Hrae mentioned, it also in a strange way involves Evolution. Dawkins deals with it in an interesting way in "The God Delusion". I can sum it up for you if you like.




I was just about waiting for you to degenerate to this level, no offence meant. You have basically admitted that there is no proof but you believe it for personal reasons, because it seems right. God's malevolence is staring at you in the face and you put a mask on it and say something unfounded to cover it up. I just CANNOT prove anything to you now. I am using the BIBLE the book you claim is 100% true, to prove something to you, and you claim something that isn't really in it, and say that you have FAITH that it happened. Well, I also have FAITH that invisible pink unicorns exist. That doesn't make me right.

There IS proof, but once again, you would claim that it's false, and cooked up by the Church. You'd claim it was all just lies. i tried to show proof earlier in the forum (i.e. the incorruptibility) and Hrae dismissed it as nothing more as wax dolls. He has no proof of them being wax, but he insists that it's just a lie cooked up by the church. It gives the feeling that no matter what proof i give you, you'll just deny its credibility with no real credibility of your own.

However, I dont see how it is that a being who sent himself to be tortured and killed in one of the most horrible ways imaginable to free US is Malevolent.

And you dont really have faith in that; you're using that as an example to how you feel religion is ridiculous. However, you could take that, and say that your faith in the invisible pink unicorn gods/goddesses is nothing more than your soul making an attempt to call out to God, and that he sees and accepts that.