Deity Existence - Page 47

**Hraesvelg** · 05-03-2009, 04:17 PM

It was unidentifiable in 1936. Science marches on. I suggest reading the material he references: http://www.csicop.org/sb/2002-06/guadalupe.html

**Ivramire** · 05-03-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

So the fact that he won the prize a few years later makes him less intelligent?

No, I just mean that we might have more resources available to us now, here in the 21st-Century.

Jikanu · 05-04-2009, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

It was unidentifiable in 1936. Science marches on. I suggest reading the material he references: http://www.csicop.org/sb/2002-06/guadalupe.html

Note that the refference you cited is obviously biased to a certain degree... "The Skeptical Inquirer"...

Regardless, what about the fact that it's stayed quite well preserved regardless of the severe amount of time it's been through? a full 500 or so years... most clothes have been destroyed by then.

And speaking of preserved people, why is it, then, that many saints who died long long ago still have their bodies in perfect condition, untouched by decay or rot?

Originally Posted by Ivramire

No, I just mean that we might have more resources available to us now, here in the 21st-Century.

Ah, sorry, i just thought that since you bolded that one phrase that you meant that, all apologies x.x

**Hraesvelg** · 05-04-2009, 03:13 AM

Tell you what...I'll be generous. As soon as we get a confirmed, documented case of an amputee being healed, I'll allow that miracles exist.

Jikanu · 05-04-2009, 03:23 AM

Perhaps not amputees, but people who are dying of sickness just randomly come back from the brink at times.

why did you ignore my response to your post, though?

**Vasu** · 05-04-2009, 03:31 AM

Probably the same reason you ignored my post...

Jikanu · 05-04-2009, 03:35 AM

Which one are you referring to?

**Hraesvelg** · 05-04-2009, 03:41 AM

I'm supposed to be surprised that a well-looked after piece of clothing still exists?

I'd also like to know what "preserved" specimins you're talking about. I can't recall ever reading any sort of analysis of remains, DNA or otherwise, on the supposed saints corpses.

**Vasu** · 05-04-2009, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Vasu

Okay, for the sake of argument, let us assume that these paintings were by a supernatural being. Now how does that correlate to every other assumption made in the Bible? Benevolence? Omnipotence? Omniscience? This is not "evidence".

This one.

Jikanu · 05-04-2009, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

I'm supposed to be surprised that a well-looked after piece of clothing still exists?

I'd also like to know what "preserved" specimins you're talking about. I can't recall ever reading any sort of analysis of remains, DNA or otherwise, on the supposed saints corpses.

Yeah, because it's 500 years old, and most replicas of it wear out after a few years.

Here's pictures of the remains... i sincerely doubt that they switch out the bodies every couple of days. not many people look that much alike.

http://members.chello.nl/~l.de.bondt...ruptBodies.htm

Originally Posted by Vasu

This one.

didnt see it, sorry. and it proves that the being exists, and has some form of power since he did in fact create those things. It doesnt prove omnipotence, but it proves that Christianity is on to something, since it's a picture of Mary.