Deity Existence

[Hraesvelg]

So everything just happened to end up the way it is by chance? the sun just happened to be the right distance from the earth? H2O just happened to form on our planet, while on most other planets we've discovered have none in its liquid form? i find that very hard to believe.

We've only been able to explore the tiniest fraction of the universe in terms of life-sustainability, and you're already calling it quits? This is the true danger of belief in the supernatural. It stifles scientific inquiry. You're ready to throw in the towel and say "God did it!" at the virtual drop of a hat. Let's see how many more metaphors I can mix.

[Jikanu]

They're all three beings in one... seperate but same at the same time. it's the mystery of the trinity. I look at it as if they're all the same person doing different duties... God writing the speech, Christ delivering it, and the Holy Spirit helping us live our lives according to it, though i had a better metaphore for it before... forgot it though...

Edit: sorry hrae, didnt see your post till i posted; and im not calling it quits, i said every planet we've discovered not everyone in the universe. But where exactly does the scientific theory on how LIFE began originate? like, where does science say life comes from? (and im asking sincerely)

[Hraesvelg]

Note, that when a Catholic refers to a Mystery (capital M), it's basically a way of saying, "This doesn't make much sense to us, either, but we're running with it."

[Jikanu]

Not really, acctually. its just something that's beyond our understanding, but we believe in and have faith in it and hope that we'll understand it someday.

[Hraesvelg]

How does that differ substantially from what I just said?

[Jikanu]

Idk, i guess it doesnt. but my point is that we arent just blind sheep. Alot of this stuff makes sense to some degree, it's just hard to understand. that's where the faith aspect comes into play.

[Aidan]

Edit: sorry hrae, didnt see your post till i posted; and im not calling it quits, i said every planet we've discovered not everyone in the universe. But where exactly does the scientific theory on how LIFE began originate? like, where does science say life comes from? (and im asking sincerely)

In my belief on how Life could have sprawled on Earth (I have no evidence to back this up though) is certain energies (Magnetic, Electrical, Thermal, etc) interacting with each other in very tiny spaces (Pre-Life Earth was very violent) eventually came to form small spheres of contained energy (Atoms).

These Atoms eventually became greater in number until they began to either bond, react, or just pass each other by. Molecules were slowly made and as more complicated molecules were formed, they eventually started needing an area to catalyze their reactions in. The small areas where many molecules gathered eventually evolved into cells. Various molecules would give off byproducts to cause a reaction in another molecule.

As the cells grew up and more complex reactions were occurring, cells began to become self-sustaining organisms. However, competition for raw materials became harsh and thus we begin evolution. Several Bacterium could have combined through mutual relationships and formed multicellular creatures. The creatures evolved to try to be better (and thus get better access to food, resources) and we eventually wind up to where we are today.

Just a personal theory. Nothing to back it up though.

[Jikanu]

where did the want and need to sustain ones self come from though?

[Aidan]

where did the want and need to sustain ones self come from though?

Probably natural chemical reactions within the primitive cells. Lower animals (insects, vermin, bacteria) have this animal 'instinct' and show the need to survive. However, we never consider them sentient or intelligent.

[Jikanu]

where does the instinct come from though? that's what confuses me. where do they get the need to sustain themselves?