Deity Existence

[Aidan]

But what if both theories can coexist to make one beautiful one? isnt it at all possible that whatever Divine Being created us used the laws of physics, biology, everything to make us? Isnt it possible to believe that God created the Big Bang, and did it in such a perfect way that everything that came afterwards would be in just the right place? that earth would be exactly the correct distance from the sun, and so on and so forth?

Forgot to quote this one too.

This belief is called Deism. The one "god" put everything in motion, natural principles, physics, evolution, etc. to end up creating something beautiful. Much like a clockmaker throws a bunch of parts together and it eventually forms a working clock.

[Vasu]

*shrugs* would it not be the least bit more probable than everything just landing in the right way by chance?

No, it wouldn't.

[Hraesvelg]

A lot of those theories are just that. Theories (Quantum Physics/Mechanics are mainly just theories too). Just like Gods and Goddesses are theories as well. Neither one can disprove the other, and the only thing that keeps religion going is the holes in which science has not (and probably will not) fill.

That's a false equivalence. You can observe the phenomena that I briefly touched on for yourself, crunch the numbers, see the results. Data, evidence, observations...these will always trump claims about Gods and Goddesses without the same amount of presentable, testable evidence.

Then you get into the God of the Gaps argument, which, as I've said, probably isn't something you want to actually make. It's a really damning sort of position to take, seeing that as the gaps are filled, it leaves less and less space for the "god".

[Aidan]

No, it wouldn't.

Would it help if there was no right or wrong way? Things just happened the way they did?

[Aidan]

That's a false equivalence. You can observe the phenomena that I briefly touched on for yourself, crunch the numbers, see the results. Data, evidence, observations...these will always trump claims about Gods and Goddesses without the same amount of presentable, testable evidence.

Then you get into the God of the Gaps argument, which, as I've said, probably isn't something you want to actually make. It's a really damning sort of position to take, seeing that as the gaps are filled, it leaves less and less space for the "god".

But is the Big Bang not just a theory? Things are left as theories until proved through experiments...I think.

Indeed though, Science fills tons of those gaps. But true origin is still left unexplained and probably can't be explained.

[Jikanu]

Forgot to quote this one too.

This belief is called Deism. The one "god" put everything in motion, natural principles, physics, evolution, etc. to end up creating something beautiful. Much like a clockmaker throws a bunch of parts together and it eventually forms a working clock.

The problem i have with Deism is that, from what i've heard (correct me if im wrong) whatever Deity created us just moved on and hasnt interfered since. I find that kinda hard to believe since every artist views his work and make it better, and that's kind of what God is; a divine artist of sorts.

No, it wouldn't.

So everything just happened to end up the way it is by chance? the sun just happened to be the right distance from the earth? H2O just happened to form on our planet, while on most other planets we've discovered have none in its liquid form? i find that very hard to believe.

[Aidan]

The problem i have with Deism is that, from what i've heard (correct me if im wrong) whatever Deity created us just moved on and hasnt interfered since. I find that kinda hard to believe since every artist views his work and make it better, and that's kind of what God is; a divine artist of sorts.

Correct. I've not found the appropriate term for that religion yet though. It is entirely possible since a clockmaker occasionally has to make repairs, or may make improvements to help the clock's efficiency.

[Jikanu]

*shrugs* Catholicism makes enough sense to me, in terms of pure religious doctrine; some of the social teachings i don't agree with, but in terms of teachings on all divine beings, it makes sense to me.

[Manzcar]

I'm agnostic about dinner, because I don't know what I'm making, but I'll soon have evidence enough on that question.

This made me LOL and people looked at me

*shrugs* would it not be the least bit more probable than everything just landing in the right way by chance?

The probability of the big bang happening and ending up with me typing is unable to be calculated. But that withstanding we are here.

[Aidan]

*shrugs* Catholicism makes enough sense to me, in terms of pure religious doctrine; some of the social teachings i don't agree with, but in terms of teachings on all divine beings, it makes sense to me.

I've been to church for a few months or so off/on and even went to a few bible study classes.

They still confuse me. They say Jesus is the Son of God, but then they refer to him as God himself. As in, the holy spirit being both of them. Maybe the people teaching me are not good at teaching but they made it seem as if Jesus and God are essentially the same being, but Jesus is still somehow separate.