Deity Existence - Page 17

**Manzcar** · 04-14-2009, 05:07 PM

The Bible does not say to kill gay people. If I am wrong please show me the Bible reference. The Bible says it is a sin, as is lying. It also says we should turn from our sins. The Bible does not say we should kill sinners, because it also says all men are sinners. Therefor if we killed all sinners there would be no men left on the earth.

Anyone using the Bible to spread hate is wrong, and is using the Bible in an evil way.

Jikanu · 04-14-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Vasu

And is it also possible that there are goblins in my garden? I'm sorry, but even this statement doesn't and most probably cannot have proof wither way.

I am not talking about the church. I am talking about the Bible. Why does it tell us to kill homosexuals? And why did god who so verily ordered us to kill them, "make them that way"?

And why do you hold that (bolded) belief?

trust me, if there was any proof either way, one group or the other would be shoving it in their opponents faces. there's nothing we here on ff are going to suddenly discover that theologists never thought up.

the bolded belief is just a moral. i believe that it should be for love, not pleasure, and only between married couoles.

And the part you're talking about is the old testament. In the new testament, there's a story in which the people brought an adultress to Jesus, asking him to help them stone her. he told them that he who had never committed a sin could go ahead and throw the first rock. none of the people stepped foreward. we can take this as a re-inventing of the laws of moses. Jesus even attributed some of the laws due to the isrealites themselves, and their hardened hearts.

Originally Posted by Senyx The Soulless one

God made us Human, and with it, As well as we all know, Adam and Eve, He gave us the ability to make our own choices, Being gay included.

He did not make us gay, WE made ourselves gay, And god knew this was wrong, So he told us to kill the people making the wrong choice.

i honestly doubt anyone would make that choice.

Originally Posted by Manzcar

The Bible does not say to kill gay people. If I am wrong please show me the Bible reference. The Bible says it is a sin, as is lying. It also says we should turn from our sins. The Bible does not say we should kill sinners, because it also says all men are sinners. Therefor if we killed all sinners there would be no men left on the earth.

Anyone using the Bible to spread hate is wrong, and is using the Bible in an evil way.

i think it says that somewhere in the old testament, but what they're forgetting is that Jesus reformed and rebuilt the laws of Moses.

Senyx The Soulless one · 04-14-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Manzcar

The Bible does not say to kill gay people. If I am wrong please show me the Bible reference. The Bible says it is a sin, as is lying. It also says we should turn from our sins. The Bible does not say we should kill sinners, because it also says all men are sinners. Therefor if we killed all sinners there would be no men left on the earth.

Anyone using the Bible to spread hate is wrong, and is using the Bible in an evil way.

"And if a Man should sleep with another man as a man would sleep with a woman, Let that man be stoned to death, For I am god, The Lord"

Says it pretty clearly here. Oh and also
"If man were to sleep with an animal, Then they have done the unthinkable, And must be stoned to death"

Covers up gay, AND bestiality.

**Manzcar** · 04-14-2009, 05:30 PM

I am sorry but you have miss quoted the Bible.

The reference you have shown is actually.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The reference of the chapter is the judgement of God upon these sins. Not Man judging these sins.

They shall be put to death by God and punished by God not by man.

Man is not to judge other men only their actions.

Senyx The Soulless one · 04-14-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Manzcar

I am sorry but you have miss quoted the Bible.

The reference you have shown is actually.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The reference of the chapter is the judgement of God upon these sins. Not Man judging these sins.

They shall be put to death by God and punished by God not by man.

Man is not to judge other men only their actions.

I was quoting from King James, So it's gonna be a lot different, lol, And i think when they say "Their blood will turn against them" it's referring to what we now know as HIV/AIDS
Makes sense, no?
And how is "They shall surely be put to death" not saying that they are gonna die?

**Manzcar** · 04-14-2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Senyx The Soulless one

I was quoting from King James, So it's gonna be a lot different, lol, And i think when they say "Their blood will turn against them" it's referring to what we now know as HIV/AIDS
Makes sense, no?
And how is "They shall surely be put to death" not saying that they are gonna die?

No offence but That was the King James version of the passage.

It is Gods death upon them not ours.

Senyx The Soulless one · 04-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Manzcar

No offence but That was the King James version of the passage.

It is Gods death upon them not ours.

I'm pretty sure i quoted it dead-on, I have to book right here, You're probably reading one of the less watered-down ones.

Kaidela · 04-14-2009, 08:47 PM

I'm wayyy too lazy to read this entire thread (sorry), and I don't have time... just thought I'd say that I voted for the second to last option. :P I'm too scientific to believe in any sort of God. Plus organized religion breeds a lot of hatred, even though that isn't what's intended...

Aidan · 04-14-2009, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kaidela

I'm wayyy too lazy to read this entire thread (sorry), and I don't have time... just thought I'd say that I voted for the second to last option. :P I'm too scientific to believe in any sort of God. Plus organized religion breeds a lot of hatred, even though that isn't what's intended...

I too am too lazy to read everything.

While I do agree that science explains a lot, and manly "miracles" have a scientific explanation, science cannot explain our true origin. You can look at the biogenesis theory, "All Cells come from Pre-existing cells".

That means humans and everything on earth came from a single cell at some point. However, what could have made this cell? Many can say chemical/molecular reactions occurring in a small area could have sparked the need for a shielded area to do these reactions (end product: a cell)

Then we run into the whole, "Well where did the first Atom come from?" then we say, "Energy." but then, "Where did energy come from?" and it stops there. Science may only go that far. We either leave it as nothing turning into something (Which isn't possible since you can't make something into nothing), or use divine theory to fill in that gap. Divine theories have their own gaps too but they do help clear the haze.

I'd have to believe like the deists back during the enlightenment. The one god set the world in motion and lets it operate on it's own (much like a clock).

Kaidela · 04-15-2009, 02:57 AM

Well, the idea that a god set the world in motion but no longer has any part in it would make sense, but I still can't bring myself to believe it. Dx It's a good explanation though. Because I honestly can't believe like some people that God/gods watch over us and choose our lives for us and all that..

If that were true, that'd be one... malicious god. ._.