Deity Existence - Page 26

Jikanu · 04-17-2009, 03:59 PM

Ah, but what about when physical form has nothing to do with it? What about when weight and mass arent even factors in the slightest?

**Hraesvelg** · 04-17-2009, 04:07 PM

The example can be used when they aren't a factor, such as, can an omnipotent being create an equation even it cannot solve? The paradox remains.

**Manzcar** · 04-17-2009, 04:21 PM

Or can a universe be created from nothing.

**Vasu** · 04-17-2009, 04:40 PM

^ For an omnipotent being, that shouldn't be a problem, although, as shown here, omnipotence is impossible.

Jikanu · 04-17-2009, 04:42 PM

i think you just proved his point Vasu. without an omnipotent being, the universe couldnt have been created.

**Manzcar** · 04-17-2009, 04:42 PM

Well then in that case creation of a universe would be impossible as well.

**Hraesvelg** · 04-17-2009, 04:44 PM

That would be the Creationist view. The Big Bang appears to have resulted from a singularity. Admittedly, there is still much, much to be discovered about singularities in general and the Big Bang singularity in specific, but no one truly contends that everything came from nothing.

It's even hard to think about what might have caused the singularity, seeing as time and causality, by definition, couldn't have existed pre-Big Bang, at least as it relates to our universe. I have a sneaking suspicion that we're the result of another universe switching on their own Large Hadron Collider. The quantum foam idea is elegant, but still hard to grasp conceptually, much less actually test for it at this point.

Jikanu · 04-17-2009, 04:45 PM

No matter how far you go back, it had to start with something, Hrae. Explain pl0x?

**Hraesvelg** · 04-17-2009, 04:50 PM

Well, here's another fundamental difference beween our positions. I don't know. I'm willing to admit I don't know. I think it's possible we'll eventually discover it, but doubtfully in our lifetimes.

Ascribing it to a supernatural power and then speaking for said supernatural power is rank arrogance.

Jikanu · 04-17-2009, 04:52 PM

i dont speak for God o.o

you asked my beliefs, i told you... that's it.

But you do admit that at this point there is no evidence that disproves the existence of a deity, or proves the existance of any other possible means of a beginning?