the other thing that stopped asal and bps in their place were jesters. HoP had a faster cast and counter was a 100% stun chance and your hit wouldn't affect us. so counter adn HoP woorked on a lot near my level or if i was in DI and got to go first i'd do backstep to stun. if it didn't i'd xline some and counter if needed. if i wanted i could just beat them to death with my yoyos
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