Thread: Deity Existence
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:56 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
i was referring to the equation in the first paragraph you quoted.
Oh, okay. But that is the whole point of my argument. Complexity isn't a factor, so he can solve any equation. That implies that he cannot make an equation too complex for himself.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
Being open, i guess, would be defined as quieting down everything around you, and just doing your best to feel him and what he wants you to do. then again, im not a priest or anything, so i dont know the church's doctrine.

Like I said, he should be able to communicate with us regardless of whether or not we are open.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
A spirit is something that transcends the physical form. i think that perhaps what the other guy (i think it was Aiden who said it) said about it being made from pure energy may be accurate.

But something that is pure energy cannot be intelligent, and besides, "God made us in his image" didn't he?

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
And no matter what, the physical thing had to be created by something, and for something to not have to be created by something else, it has to defy the laws of science. The only thing i can really guess could do that would be something that transcends the physical form, therefore ending the chain needed in the big bang. Therefore, any previous or subsequent universes that may or may not have collapsed on themselves resulting in another big bang would be what Occam's Razor shaved off, in theory. i havent done much research.. if you're ever in an area where the priests are more open minded, you should debate this with them, really.

You have to prove that "non-physical" beings (whatever they are, you cannot prove that they exist) do not require a creator, and can defy the laws of physics. And also if you cannot claim that "non-physical" puts it out of the bounds of physics, because you have claimed he is some sort of energy, which can be dealt with in physical terms. And you are also using the argument from personal incredulity here i.e "I cannot think of any other way this happened, therefore it's probably this one."


Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
as for birth defects, arent they sometimes caused by a problem durring the pregnancy, such as getting bumped into or drinking or something? and often even then it doesnt really result in insanity so much as mental handicaps, does it? isnt it more often than not emotional trauma? (im not a psychologist, i dont know, so please, if im wrong, explain how psychosis comes about)
And sometimes, it's also just a genetic defect. A malfunction in the chain of evolution.
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