[Jikanu]

No, my point is that you claim the universe is so complex that someone had to make it, but such a being would have to be incredibly complex itself, creating another infinite regression. And that brings us back to doe-oh-oh-oh. Doe, a deer, a female deer....




I'm sorry, birth defects are someone else's fault? What are you talking about?




*sigh* I believe that the big bang did happen. But I am not saying the singularity just popped there. I am saying I do not know. You are saying god did it, and that you do not know where god came from. Why are you adding an extra, unnecessary factor? As per Occam's razor, this should be shaved right out of the equation.




What isn't true? The equation thing? And lastly, define a "spiritual being".



Since he can do anything as well, he can make us listen even when we aren't "open" to it.

And I would like you to define being "open" too.

i was referring to the equation in the first paragraph you quoted.

Being open, i guess, would be defined as quieting down everything around you, and just doing your best to feel him and what he wants you to do. then again, im not a priest or anything, so i dont know the church's doctrine.

A spirit is something that transcends the physical form. i think that perhaps what the other guy (i think it was Aiden who said it) said about it being made from pure energy may be accurate.

And no matter what, the physical thing had to be created by something, and for something to not have to be created by something else, it has to defy the laws of science. The only thing i can really guess could do that would be something that transcends the physical form, therefore ending the chain needed in the big bang. Therefore, any previous or subsequent universes that may or may not have collapsed on themselves resulting in another big bang would be what Occam's Razor shaved off, in theory. i havent done much research.. if you're ever in an area where the priests are more open minded, you should debate this with them, really.

as for birth defects, arent they sometimes caused by a problem durring the pregnancy, such as getting bumped into or drinking or something? and often even then it doesnt really result in insanity so much as mental handicaps, does it? isnt it more often than not emotional trauma? (im not a psychologist, i dont know, so please, if im wrong, explain how psychosis comes about)