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Old 04-23-2009, 02:28 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by BlackDragonEX View Post
I have reaqd a few of the earlier pages and some people have been asking for proof that God exists.
Pretty soon there'll be proof he doesn't.
The Particle Accelerator.
When they eventually get it up and running, They will collide particles to try to create the 'Higgs Boson'
Also known as the 'God Particle'
This is the thing that apparantly gives us mass, that makes us here. So it proves that God didn't make us. Evolution has already disproven Adam and Eve although some people still believe it, Heaven in the skies above us was disproved when we went into space More and more holes are being poked in the mythical story.
I know someone is going to say it, "What about if Heaven is billions of lightyears away/another world ??"
The amount of energy that is needed to transport someone's ''Soul'' or ''spirit'' that far would be immense, how does ''God'' get this energy?

And people don't choose to be Gay. You can't choose your sexuality.

Like Jik said, the theists will just claim that god created the god particle.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
The same law applies to your "Big Bang" theory. It created everything, so what created that? it has just about sense to it as God does. There's some things we simply dont understand yet, so there's no real argument i can provide for that. it's like asking Mendel to prove genetics before he had a chance to test his theory.

We do not know yet. And "goddidit" is NOT an answer.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
And there is no good in the world without some bad. you cant have light without darkness. People have to make mistakes and learn to gain the want to use free will for good.

This does not address my point. Let me rephrase.


God can do anything, and is also a good person, but does not stop us from doing evil because he would rather that we learn for ourselves, that what we are doing is bad. Cool?

But since god also knows everything, he will know that Mr. A is a good person at heart and will change, but Mr. B is a psychopath, and cannot fit into society. So why can't he stop Mr. B?

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
1. I've previously stated that God can use science to do his work, so why couldnt he have used this "God Particle"? and i also heard that it might instead make a black hole or something and wipe us all out... so good luck with that.

Yeah, go ahead and believe every frigging rumour you hear.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
2. Adam and Eve can be metaphorical, also previously stated. they could be the first fully evolved humans. a day for God could be a million years for us, for all we know.

Like I said, the "figurative" bin is the ultimate cop-out for all bible enthusiasts. Who are you to say which part of the Bible is figurative? I can go ahead and say that Jesus didn't exist, and it was all figurative to show us that the cruel times of the OT were over.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
3. God's infinitely powerful, remember?

That is not possible, remember?



Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
How's that any different than saying this?


It's different because the theory of the big bang was not reaches with intention of reaching the theory of the big bang. It was reached by scientific inquiry with the evidence we have at present, with no prior knowledge that such a thing could have happened. However the Bible was written with the full decision that god existed, and is therefore not scientific proof.

Originally Posted by Jikanu View Post
last thing: i just found this quote online.

"The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle."
Michael Denton,
Molecular Biologist. Evolution: A Theory in Crisis. Adler and Adler.


Yes, it would indeed be a miracle, if ours was the only solar system, the only planet, revolving around the only star. However there are millions of galaxies out there, and maybe even more universes (though there is no evidence of that, so I will not press it).

Like I said, if you see a closet with trillions of kinds of clothes of all sizes shapes and colours, you shouldn't be surprised to find one that fits.
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