Originally Posted by Jikanu
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Vasu, if he lets you choose but stops you from choosing wrong, it wouldnt be free will. it would be him making you do the right. we need to learn to be good on our own.
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I just realised that I didn't reply to this bit. Yes, but he knows that out of the x number of people, y are going to learn, and gives them the chance, but he'll know that x-y people will never learn, so he may as well stop them.
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Originally Posted by Jikanu
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there is proof, but nothing that is testable.
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Let's examine your first argument again.
"God is the one special exception because he is the first creator."
Assumption 1: God is the first creator.
Assumption 2: First creators are exempt from the rule that everything needs a creator.
Care to back these up?