[Manzcar]

You'll note that the claim isn't being made that there absolutely, no-way possible that there is some sort of diety. We are not the ones making positive claims, i.e., "A god does exist." Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence.

One cannot "prove" a negative. But I'll make you a deal...I'll prove to you that God doesn't exist just as soon as you prove that there aren't magical invisible fairies that live in my garage.

The Bible is full of proof. First had accounts of people meeting, speaking, and learning from God. Centuries of historical proof that shows that God is there. That is proof. If you state that the Bible can not be used, then you in return can not use any books, writings, or historical events as backing to prove your points.

And by the way the Bible is full of extraordinary evidence. Some would even say supernatural.

I do not try to disprove "God" though i find believeing in him to be very difficult as all he is doing right now would be to sit here and watch what sad state this world is in, That is NOT the kind of god i would worship. A god that watches us kill each other over something like oil, or how we run the place, I want a fair god, And therefore, I beleive myself to be my god. I make my decisions, decide what happens, Are we not all our own gods, OR perhaps the people that use us make THEM gods? We all believe what we want, It's out nature, Religion really takes going out on a wing, And like i said, I'd rather believe in nothing and be wrong, Then believe in SOMETHING and be wrong.

But i actually have no problem with christians, I won't insult them, Hell, i hang out with them, But i just really do not want to be a part of the religious scene. It's just not for me.

But just to make people mad, Show me proof there IS a god.

First of all God does not like the state the world is in. God did not like the original sin in the garden of eden. God loves everyone and wants to have a personal relationship with Him. God does not like religion or religious piety. Jesus himself called the religious elitists of the Jewish people a brood of vipers. I have seen people that were so called religious people do evil things. These people were not a child of God and did not have a personal relationship with God. And that is what God wants is a relationship with you. Our natural nature is selfish and self gratifying.

Again I offer the historical proof of the Bible taken over thousands of years that there is a God.

No, what I don't get is why I have to suffer for sins committed by people I had no control over. I could not have stopped them from eating those fruits, so I am in no way responsible for what was done. So why am I not given an opportunity in the Garden of Eden?

And by the way, I'm still waiting for answers to these. You could take a look at them too, Manz.








First, it is impossible to prove a negative. It is called the argument from ignorance.



Second of all, I have stated and re-stated already in this thread that the burden of proof lies with the proposer. Why don't you prove to me, that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, and then I can prove that your god doesn't exist. Why don't you prove to me that Invisible Pink Unicorns don't exist, and I will prove to you that your god doesn't exist. Hell, why don't you prove to me that Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry doesn't exist, and I will prove that god doesn't exist.

And lastly, I have always said that the probability of god's existence is low. I have never outruled god. Why don't you look at my first post in the thread (the one that addressed the voters based on what option they voted for).

First of all aren’t you the proposer of this thread. And you have proposed that there is no God or that the existence is nearly impossible. And when people have stated that they believe you have answered in such a way that would lead one to believe that you do not believe in a God. So isn’t then the burden of proof on you.

Again I offer proof from the Bible that has historical and first hand accounts of dealings with God. My proof is well documented in many languages and forms.