No, what I don't get is why I have to suffer for sins committed by people I had no control over. I could not have stopped them from eating those fruits, so I am in no way responsible for what was done. So why am I not given an opportunity in the Garden of Eden?
And by the way, I'm still waiting for answers to these. You could take a look at them too, Manz.
Originally Posted by Vasu
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- The burden of proof lies with the person who proposes a theory.
- If everything needs a creator, then so does God. Infinite regression.
- There are those who believe that the universe is so complex, that someone absolutely must have turned all the dials, manipulated the figures, and therefore designed it this way. Point one; a designer is not necessary, natural selection will suffice. Point two; exactly how complex would a god need to be to do this? Therefore creating another infinite regression.
- There are so many religions, and each is just as difficult to prove/disprove. What is your explanation for picking yours, and dismissing the rest?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Henry Roberts
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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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- Absolute omnipotence is impossible.
- Omniscience and omnipotence are incompatible.
- Religion/belief in god are not required to lead a moral life.
- While it is impossible to wholly disprove the existence of any god, it is more than possible to deal with the probability of such a being's existence, and the odds do not sway god's way.
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I've seen in this thread that many people will post their beliefs in that there is a God. And others will refute the fact that there is a God by tearing down what the others have stated for their reasoning that there is a God.
I propose to then turn the tables. It is obvious that there are those that have a firm belief that there is no God. So I am open to here how you can prove that there is not a God.
Please give me your proofs that there is no God and maybe you will be able to convince me that there is not a God.
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First, it is impossible to prove a negative. It is called the argument from ignorance.
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Argument from ignorance
The two most common forms of the argument from ignorance, both fallacious, can be reduced to the following form:- Something is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, so it is not (or must not be) true.
- Because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
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Second of all, I have stated and re-stated already in this thread that the burden of proof lies with the proposer. Why don't you prove to me, that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, and then I can prove that your god doesn't exist. Why don't you prove to me that Invisible Pink Unicorns don't exist, and I will prove to you that your god doesn't exist. Hell, why don't you prove to me that Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry doesn't exist, and I will prove that god doesn't exist.
And lastly, I have always said that the
probability of god's existence is low. I have never outruled god. Why don't you look at my first post in the thread (the one that addressed the voters based on what option they voted for).