[Vasu]

Well, basically, what makes it miraculous is the fact that there are like, extremely tiny pictures of the scene Juan Diego himself might've seen when he was revealing the picture on his clothes. there's the bishop, and everyone else that was there, and they're so tiny that no human being could've painted them.

Have you ever heard of rice writing? I suggest you look it up. If people can write that small, then they can draw that small.

and, as for solid evidence for believing... first of all, when you go into adoration, (praying in the presence of a consecrated host; basically, spiritually, in the presence of Jesus) you get this really strange, emotional feeling. i know that's not so solid, but it's true, and emotions, in my belief, at least, arent scientifically explainable all the time.

I'm sorry for being so blunt here, but when you have sex and have an orgasm, you also get a nice happy feeling. That's scientifically explainable. When you win a game that you played well in, you get a happy feeling. That's scientifically explainable too.

The only reason you feel happy worshipping Jesus is because you believe in a false tenet. You believe that you will be forgiven for your sins, however horrible they may be. Who wouldn't want that? You believe that even after you die, there's a loving father figure willing to take you in to his family, and shower you with love and give you eternal happiness. That is so nice. Even I would like to believe in that. But the point is, there is no proof for it, and being a rational man, I will not believe it how much ever I want to.

Plus, if you think about it, everything had to start with something. Even the big bang had to be caused by SOMETHING.

And that SOMETHING in turn had to be caused by something. Turtles all the way down. I have already dealt with this in my first meaningful post in the thread, have you read it?

And alot of what's in the bible makes sense. i mean, the old testament was quite cruel, obviously, but you have to take the times into consideration as well. Plus, later, in the new testament, it was all nullified by Jesus as he replaced the angry penalties with laws of forgiveness.

It makes sense? Great! Use it as a code of morality, fine. Use it to help you make moral decisions, fine. But believe in a sky wizard? Why? About the loving Jesus and OT, read that para about wishful thinking.