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lamchopz 01-21-2009 07:39 AM

Islam is incompatible with democracy. Discuss.
 
Before going ahead, watch this audiovisual presentation:

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/fora/storie.../2250123-p.htm

Length of video: 1:40:28

You need to watch only the first 6 speakers' speeches, which is about 30 minutes in total.


It's one of the topics that captivate me. I'm curious to see how many here share the same interest.

xDario 01-21-2009 07:41 AM

No yourutbe at scool
-will look at it when im home-

Vasu 01-21-2009 07:54 AM

Uhh...it opened Barack Obama's swearing in ceremony.

lamchopz 01-21-2009 07:58 AM

link is updated. LOL

Ralath 01-21-2009 08:07 AM

Haven't watched the video.

Islam clearly is compatible with democracy because Islam is the predominant religion in some democratic countries, Turkey probably being most prominent.

On a completely different side note, it is said that the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship anyway so I don't know why Islam necessarily has to be compatible with democracy to begin with.

Don't really know where you want to go with this discussion since you haven't really started it yet.

lamchopz 01-21-2009 08:10 AM

The video contains most of what I want to say (I'm for the affirmative side) and also the opposing views.

Blaaaaaaaah 01-21-2009 08:12 AM

Care to summarise it a bit? 1:40:28 is a very long time..

Ivramire 01-21-2009 08:47 AM

I'd have to say it is compatible.


Why wouldn't it be? + it seems to work well enough over here.

Yosei 01-21-2009 03:16 PM

I'd watch it, but I got another video loading and it eats up my connection x.x I'll check it out later.

lamchopz 01-23-2009 12:27 AM

This topic is about religion vs. politics. Personally, I don't see how a(ny) religion is compatible with democracy.

As one speaker pointed out, Christianity has undergone substantial changes to become harmonious with today's lifestyle. A religion in its original form, which was conceived thousands of years ago, can in no way fit in our view of a modern world. Islam is no exception. It has remained the same for thousands of years - something to which a friend of mine showed her deep regards.

The problem here is that those who practise Islam are faithful to the religion and resistant to change. It is understandable because changing a religion means changing the sacred doctrine that a religious follower is meant to uphold. However, the challenge is that Islam now exists in another society which in many ways does not see many of its features as "compatible with democracy". Instances that were singled out were the treatment towards women, the closure of the Muslim community and such. I have a lot of Muslim friends and for a while, I have been exploring Islam. I recall at one stage, I asked to visit a Muslim friend's house. He hesitated and did not indicate any possible time for my visit whereas the other Muslims were readily invited and could come over any time. This is an anecdotal evidence of closure.

Of course many of us will often think of the extremist cases when the term Islam is mentioned. The video is a discussion and an attempt to bring a more moderate representation of Islam.

This topic signifies the importance of secularity. The concept surfaced as a result of historic revolutions - science, technology and political philosophy. It has endured centuries of hardship. Many examples of the oppression imposed the ruling church can be drawn, of which my favourite one is Galileo and his heliocentrism which he was forced to deny because it opposed the teaching of the church. A theocratic authority is by no means an optimal model for governance. The speakers demonstrated that apart from Turkey which is a struggling democracy but a democracy nonetheless, the other Middle Eastern states are essentially Muslim states. This harks back to the Europe that consisted of largely Christian states. The facts are there for one to appraise and measure. A pertinent point here is that a dilemma has presented itself: Islam is targeted because some of its principles do not satisfy the way of a democratic life.

The defensive team brought up lots of arguments, which to me were weakly persuasive. However, their last speaker made two important and compelling points:

- What is democracy?
- What is "incompatible"?

So I leave my discussion here with those two questions for you to consider and another, which is obvious but elusive:

- Have we, those who live in the "West", been unfairly marking Islam as a target for repudiation?


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