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Ringetsu 06-06-2008 09:59 PM

Leechers and Idiots
 
Was doing phino kq and yet again...more than half of the people that joined were leeching and a person thought it was fun so he pulled mara and hide it making the rest of the people that's NOT leeching not being able to finish the kq. And some of the leechers actually got blue weaps by not doing nething :mad:

MaxOff 06-07-2008 09:31 PM

thats how it goes.

if u want u can remember there name and guild. So u can remember them the next time they want to be in your party/guild. Or when they want to buy/sell something.

If someone realy acts like an idiot, u may also talk to his guild master.

And it also important to know that the actions of a single guild member always reflect on the guild too. And high lvl guilds should care about there image if they want to live on.

Yosei 06-07-2008 09:47 PM

I hope Outspark decides to do something about this. Unfortunately there aren't any rules for this atm D:

Eru 06-07-2008 11:12 PM

hmm...
I've been accused of leeching before because I was standing back healing...
(was ptyd with mage a fighter)
I even said that I was a support build and didnt hit for much, especially when compared to the mage's dmg...and that I *had* been healing etc and that was kinda how ptys worked with support clerics...

im not sayin that was the case with Ringetsu, but some ppls opinion of leeching is apparently not dealing any damage =/

MaxOff 06-08-2008 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yosei (Post 159737)
I hope Outspark decides to do something about this. Unfortunately there aren't any rules for this atm D:

imho the gms should not be bothered with allday situations. That goes for stuff like leeching, ksing, shroom killing, killing a party of in abyss, etc...

The ingame community can handle such problems very well in there own. And actually calling a gm into such a situations would be like having a court case because of even the minutest disagrements.

In fact people are already using the strong involment of the gms as a way to threaten others. Real life Example: "Don't KS me, or im gonna report u".

Blaaaaaaaah 06-08-2008 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxOff (Post 159815)
imho the gms should not be bothered with allday situations. That goes for stuff like leeching, ksing, shroom killing, killing a party of in abyss, etc...

I don't think Yos meant GM coming in to every situation to resolve each leeching/etc problems, but to implement some sort of rule in the KQ's to prevent people from doing so.

Sero 06-08-2008 01:24 AM

"a person thought it was fun so he pulled mara and hide it making the rest of the people that's NOT leeching not being able to finish the kq"

KKP is an awesome Kingdom Quest, not to mention good rewards and exp.

It remains a mystery to me, what makes a few people wanna screw it up badly. Boredom however is awfully a lame excuse.

Ivramire 06-08-2008 05:27 AM

it's because the KQ's too easy so people think they can justify their leeching

MaxOff 06-08-2008 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 159866)
I don't think Yos meant GM coming in to every situation to resolve each leeching/etc problems, but to implement some sort of rule in the KQ's to prevent people from doing so.

every rule outspark makes, also has to be enforced by them. Otherwise there just would be hot air.

So if outspark says that leeching in a kq is not allowed, they will have to react on reports of ppl leeching in a kq. And that comes with a long rat tail.
Because u cant just jail/ban the accused person. They actually have to investicate.

I personaly think that people should try to solve there own problems, and only in extrem cases contact the gms.

Blaaaaaaaah 06-08-2008 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxOff (Post 160180)
every rule outspark makes, also has to be enforced by them. Otherwise there just would be hot air.

So if outspark says that leeching in a kq is not allowed, they will have to react on reports of ppl leeching in a kq. And that comes with a long rat tail.
Because u cant just jail/ban the accused person. They actually have to investicate.

I personaly think that people should try to solve there own problems, and only in extrem cases contact the gms.

Yeah and I think Yos was talking about that, implementing something into the game, not the rule. Though I have no idea what could be implemented to stop that. Not sure -shrugs-

booyah8876 06-08-2008 11:26 AM

I think it's extremely annoying to have to work harder, and spend more money on stones from spamming skills, and maybe die so there goes scrolls...

because someone wants to leech.

When some people want to leech, they're capped players that are pumped full of Cash Shop, so what are you going to do?

I've heard the excuse of 'When I was lvl 74 I did this KQ duo with my tank, you don't need me' once.

People that leech are making money off of the efforts of other people.
You can get so rich, so fast from KKP if all you do is chain KQ's, and leech.

I don't think it's right to be able to make money, and everything else off of other people's work.

Ivramire 06-08-2008 11:42 AM

the KQ is the only thing that makes Fiesta stand out from everything else, they should look into ways to prevent the few ruining it for everyone.


People who try to logically justify leeching....
--->fail

Eru 06-08-2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 159866)
I don't think Yos meant GM coming in to every situation to resolve each leeching/etc problems, but to implement some sort of rule in the KQ's to prevent people from doing so.

hmmm...
meyb they could build in some type of "participation monitor" to the KQ system? Like u need to deal damage or heal or something every so often.

I guess, for healing it would need to be a non-self target too ;)

dunno tho...interesting topic

Sero 06-08-2008 03:23 PM

^ interesting idea, though I wouldn't suggest it be applied to Mara, GH and Slime KQs, I can't leech anymore ._. :eep::smile:

Eru 06-08-2008 04:06 PM

lol @sero
http://www.wildmadagascar.org/overview/leeches.html

Sero 06-08-2008 04:14 PM

What the... So...

Removing a leech

If you are bitten by a leech and are compelled to remove it before it has had its full (leeches drop off on their own when they are done feeding), you can do so by following these steps:

1. Identify the anterior (oral) sucker which will be found at the small end of the leech.
2. Put your finger on your skin adjacent to the oral sucker
3. Gently but firmly slide your finger toward the wound where the leech is feeding. Using your fingernail, push the sucker sideways away from your skin.
4. Once you have dislodged the oral sucker, quickly detach the posterior (rear) sucker (the fat end of the leech). Try flicking the leech or proding with your fingernail. As you work to remove the leech, it will attempt to reattach itself.
5. Keep the wound clean -- minor cuts in tropical climates can quickly become infected. The leech itself is not poisonous. The wound will itch as it heals.

^ I surely wanna see this happen in a King Kong Phino Kingdom Quest :cheeky:

Melodic 06-08-2008 10:45 PM

The participation counter idea is good, but whet if there was something where if... I dunno... seven different people in the KQ voted against a leecher that they wouldn't either be able to be in a party, get items, or perhaps get half EXP or something. :p Just a random thought.

Eru 06-08-2008 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melodic (Post 160356)
The participation counter idea is good, but whet if there was something where if... I dunno... seven different people in the KQ voted against a leecher that they wouldn't either be able to be in a party, get items, or perhaps get half EXP or something. :p Just a random thought.

So they could essentially get "voted off the island"? Iuno...it would only take 7 friends or guild-members or something to unfairly boot a player. I'd think the check should be system-based to avoid exploit.

:ninja:<--this doesnt mean anything...i just like the ninja slimotican!

booyah8876 06-09-2008 02:35 AM

Really... if anyone has taken the time to notice, [GL]Nei has been coming into more and more KKP KQ's...

and he jailed my best friend for saying "FUC YOU (insert name)" jokingly after being disconnected repeatedly during the KQ.

Increased leeching = increased monitoring by Mr. Nei.

=x

Sero 06-09-2008 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booyah8876 (Post 160444)
Really... if anyone has taken the time to notice, [GL]Nei has been coming into more and more KKP KQ's...

and he jailed my best friend for saying "FUC YOU (insert name)" jokingly after being disconnected repeatedly during the KQ.

Increased leeching = increased monitoring by Mr. Nei.

=x

He's been visiting other KQs as well, though didn't give a damn even if some of the participants swore XD

MikeyG 06-09-2008 03:30 AM

They should have it like 3 minutes without activity in a KQ u get dc'ed .... or kicked out ... just like they have in other games..

Ringetsu 06-09-2008 04:51 AM

~.~ we found a solution in the end....a troublsome one..but it works...pull king kong phino..all the way to the beginning and chain kill all of them... =_=" (serves them right nyahahahah~!)

Loveless 06-09-2008 04:57 AM

^Wow, that's a bothersome tactic.

I know that in another game there's an item you use on a bot to send a pop-up window. They need to be able to fill it in or they are reported. So I guess, they could do that here... and have them kicked out. Unless that person is just sitting in front of the computer. D:

Either way, leeching in any KQ is just wrong. If you want to be so damn lazy I'd suggest you quit the game as it will only get harder (or get killed multiple times by KKP). And as lvra mentioned, trying to justify leeching is just plain wrong.

Sero 06-09-2008 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ringetsu (Post 160534)
~.~ we found a solution in the end....a troublsome one..but it works...pull king kong phino..all the way to the beginning and chain kill all of them... =_=" (serves them right nyahahahah~!)

^ this sounds tough... :err:

And mikey, what if I had to go to the bathroom? :eep:

Ivramire 06-09-2008 08:24 AM

would be funny if people got reported for training and banned... ^

Spirit 06-09-2008 01:42 PM

How about this. My level 23 (now 25) archer was allowed to play yesterday, and so I took her into a few Gold Hill KQs. This one archer would click on "follow" on ME, without even asking and I had to drag her around the entire KQ. At the boss, she would go off follow and shroom up until we killed the boss. :angry:

There needs to be an option for us to "un-follow" someone, so that I do not have to drag her lazy leeching butt all over the place.

And btw after the third time of her following me, and yes, every KQ, it was always ME she followed. I drug her the opposite way from the crowd and went suicide. Then the mobs killed her also. I used a heart and ran to catch back up with the crowd. :devil: I couldn't help it.

Flowersss 06-09-2008 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey3536 (Post 160511)
They should have it like 3 minutes without activity in a KQ u get dc'ed .... or kicked out ... just like they have in other games..

kind of the idea I was thinking ^^ Simple, yet straight to the point...if theres no healing, or fighting within 3 minutes.....BAM.

Also, xp counters for each individual? You have to meet a certain requirement inorder to receive anything?

idk, a thought.


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