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!Angelic ~ Warrior! 05-25-2008 04:21 PM

Making an Archer
 
I want to make an archer and i was wondering what i should know and what build i should go with, any suggestions?

Ivramire 05-25-2008 04:29 PM

Most Archers go 25spr, rest str or full str.

Recommended to fully enpower damage of aimed and power shot, might also invest in cool-time of those as well. Cool-time of AoEs(Multi-Shot) and maybe Sp consumption as it takes a lotta Sp.

Zwivix 05-25-2008 07:51 PM

Yes if you go full str then you gotta get your aoe cd down and cooldown. That way you`ll the master of aoe.

At higher lvs try to get aromor with END and DEx to make up for not putting points into that ^^

Kitager 05-25-2008 11:12 PM

What is the lowest amount of cooldown you can bring Multi-shot too?

Yea, go full STR or SPR/STR. That's if you can get enough DEX scrolls or stack up on quickness pots(later levels). I think adding DEX/SPR would be good until 25, then adding STR to 40 then DEX/STR after that. I found it exceedingly difficult to farm scroll mats specifically, and since my first archer was a SPR/STR build since lvl. 1 I missed alot. So, go with any of the builds you've seen on here. Just remember to add DEX when you can :)

Sero 05-26-2008 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitager (Post 152129)
What is the lowest amount of cooldown you can bring Multi-shot too?

Isn't 7 seconds enough? o.o lol

Nature's Mist is 6 seconds though~

Ivramire 05-26-2008 02:34 AM

something like 3 seconds?

not sure exactly what, but dayum machine-gun

Sero 05-26-2008 02:47 AM

I think 5 CD empowerment points for Multi-Shot decreases it by roughly around 2.5 seconds? Similar for Nature's Mist...

Ivramire 05-26-2008 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerodinSilver (Post 152353)
I think 5 CD empowerment points for Multi-Shot decreases it by roughly around 2.5 seconds? Similar for Nature's Mist...

feels like 3 seconds to me :D

all I remember now is that it's wow wow fast

Sero 05-26-2008 03:18 AM

Yeah there are still 4 other none AoE skills... And another AoE one at, level 73?

Ivramire 05-26-2008 03:22 AM

74 or 73 I think, yeah

piercing shot, AoE bleed? too bad I'll never get there.

Sero 05-26-2008 04:07 AM

Why not? You're less than 5 levels away~

Ivramire 05-26-2008 04:15 AM

I'm stopping them all at 70

Sero 05-26-2008 04:23 AM

Oh =I

Well whatever you do XD still damn fast @_@

Kitager 05-26-2008 02:04 PM

Wait I didn't even know that there were that many AoE skills for archers.
Oh gosh I wanna get back on Fiesta so bad.....

Sero 05-26-2008 11:57 PM

Only 3 Kitager, and the last one is level 75. Don't expect much. Level 60 you get only 2 skills DX

Ralath 05-27-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lvramire (Post 152434)
I'm stopping them all at 70

OMG HOW DO YOU LEVEL SO FAST_!_!_!_!_!

Damn Spanish keyboard...

Ivramire 05-27-2008 03:58 PM

one thing to note is that Nature's Protection has greatest effect when the mob is in the radius of the sphere.


^I win a bet. Now someone has to stfu.

Vasu 05-28-2008 04:58 AM

I think with a fully empowered CD for Multi-shot, it can be casted every 2.1 sec. I don't know it for a fact but some archer in a KQ was telling me his CD was only 2.1 sec since he empowered it.

Nyoro 05-28-2008 01:49 PM

yes full empowered cd on multi is 2.1 seconds and empowered cd on mist become 3 seconds.. however multi doesn't upgrade anymore past 60

Ivramire 05-28-2008 02:01 PM

Most people, when they get Piercing Shot substitute the enpowerment points from Multi and put it on Piercing.

!Angelic ~ Warrior! 06-06-2008 05:13 AM

Whats the advantage and disadvantage of full DEX?

What are the advantage and disadvantage of full DEX?

Ops, posted it twice >.<

Ethelinde 06-06-2008 05:24 AM

DEX is a very good PvP build, but only if you make enough $ to support expensive equipments and use charms to make up for the loss of dmg (not that you would need it, but against other cash users you will have to if you want to win). I suppose it is also a rather decent party build as mobs will miss you if you draw in aggro by chance.

Sero 06-06-2008 05:40 AM

^ true. Which is why I suck. I have $ but not the gear, nothing good I can see to buy these days. Heck my rings even suck. Only good equip I have is a 5 stated MD earring which ain't even perfect. What's more is I don't use CS items. It's a costly built though I never thought it sucked since I was ignorant =\

Another advantage is not missing almost all monsters. I have 50 DEX in my build and the only thing I miss are the Joker Trumps. Only cause they do a curse, I think. And yeah, saves you the Aim scroll but imagine those 50 points in STR. Aim scrolls are common and easy to get, there ain't any Dmg/STR scrolls on the other hand.

ThievingSix 06-06-2008 06:06 AM

For the level cap at 100 and the two known level up quests, here are some ideas:

Code:

Strength: 115
Dexterity: 0
Endurance: 0
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 0

Damage: 138
Defense: 0
Aim: 0%
Evasion: 0%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 0
Critical Rate: 0%
Block Rate: 0%
Maximum Health: 0
Maximum Mana: 0

Let's define STR free stat before we continue: For every point you put in you get 1.2 more points of free damage. Example: If you hit a mob normally for 10 damage, with 5 STR you would hit for 16. In the beginning this looks great, but in the higher levels where a lot of your damage is from Poison and Bleed, it becomes less useful than it seems.

So this build is pure STR and adds 138 more damage that armor doesn't affect. This build is good for PVP.

Code:

Strength: 0
Dexterity: 90
Endurance: 0
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 25

Damage: 0
Defense: 0
Aim: 18.7%
Evasion: 14%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 12.5
Critical Rate: 5%
Block Rate: 0%
Maximum Health: 0
Maximum Mana: 125

This one is my personal favorite and it was recommended to me by someone on these forums(forgot who it was ^_^"). It allows you to get the extra 5% crit and mana, while allowing your evasion and aim to rise. Since the DEX raises your stats by a percentage and not a defined value, it gets to be a good build in the higher levels. Also, to make up for Dex/Str/End use rings and stat'd equipment to fill the gap.

Good for PVE with a party.

Code:

Strength: 0
Dexterity: 0
Endurance: 0
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 115

Damage: 0
Defense: 0
Aim: 0%
Evasion: 0%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 57.5
Critical Rate: 14%
Block Rate: 0%
Maximum Health: 0
Maximum Mana: 575

Not anyone really does this, it's here for an example. If you went pure SPR, your crit and mana would go up quite a lot. Combined with CS items you could hit 30%+ crit. That's a lot IMHO!

Code:

Strength: 90
Dexterity: 0
Endurance: 0
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 25

Damage: 108
Defense: 0
Aim: 0%
Evasion: 0%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 12.5
Critical Rate: 5%
Block Rate: 0%
Maximum Health: 0
Maximum Mana: 125

Another combined with 25 SPR and rest in Damage. Good for PVP and party PVE.

Code:

Strength: 0
Dexterity: 0
Endurance: 115
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 0

Damage: 0
Defense: 57.5
Aim: 0%
Evasion: 0%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 0
Critical Rate: 0%
Block Rate: 8.25%
Maximum Health: 575
Maximum Mana: 0

Pure endurance, not really for an archer, but allows you the best soloing time.


Code:

Strength: 0
Dexterity: 0
Endurance: 90
Intellegence: 0
Spirit: 25

Damage: 0
Defense: 45
Aim: 0%
Evasion: 0%
Magic Damage: 0
Magic Defense: 12.5
Critical Rate: 5%
Block Rate: 7%
Maximum Health: 450
Maximum Mana: 125

Another Combo.


Hope these gave a wider view.

!Angelic ~ Warrior! 06-06-2008 06:13 AM

Yeah, it does. I'm going to do 25 SPR and the rest into DEX. I already have 26 points into DEX, so i'll just start adding SPR, thanks.

Sero 06-06-2008 06:46 AM

Nice one T6. Hmm the STR SPR is the best IMO, though since I'm stuck with what I have here's what I'll do~

50 DEX
25 SPR

Rest into STR.

ThievingSix 06-06-2008 07:36 AM

I honestly don't see the benifits of STR builds, especially for archers when there damage mostly comes from poison and bleed skills. I know of a fighter hitting 3k on orcs, an extra 100 dmg isn't doing him good when he could have had more crits or better defence.

Sero 06-06-2008 07:50 AM

Good point, but we have only 3 poisons =\

Ivramire 06-06-2008 07:55 AM

You can't really compare the benefits of a certain stat for different classes because they're supposed to do different things. Archers aren't supposed to get hit most of the time and END+ bonus applied to them doesn't have the stats biggest benefit, the block rate.


^ I suppose the Fighter above is using Cash Shop/+9s? You don't really have to worry about damage there then really.

ThievingSix 06-06-2008 07:57 AM

No, this was before the cash shop craze.

Enraya 06-06-2008 08:06 AM

It doesn't matter what build you have, good gear really counts in all cases.

I've never bought any gear, and even though I had the money for it (at my level anyways o: ) I didn't buy anything so I was pretty weak.

For ThievingSix:
You'll be surprised at how much difference STR makes then. If you're not DEX, and you're an xbow user without too much DEX gear, single-target poisons miss a lot (thank god for DEX gear >w<)

ThievingSix 06-06-2008 08:26 AM

Which is why I said supplement your 3rd needed stat with armor and rings.

walnut 06-06-2008 08:26 AM

Gear only gets you so far
 
equiptment wont get the crit bonus that you get for adding points to SPR yourself though will it? 25SPR has been worth it in every char ive played.

Enraya 06-06-2008 08:27 AM

Well, if you want crit that's cool xD Me too, I always love 25 SPR.

But think, if you go 25 STR/INT, that's 25 more damage to every shot. That's your next 25 level's worth of stats o-o

I've always gotten good rings/necklaces, now come gear! D:

Sero 06-06-2008 08:47 AM

Only good thing I got is MD 5 stat -_-

Perfect MD earrings + 2 Shining Elderine Rings + 25 SPR rest STR build + DEX END heavy gear + godly weapon [+9] = PWN :D

And walnut, only Free Stat SPR adds to Critical rate... Gear SPR don't~

Enraya 06-06-2008 09:59 AM

^ Yeah, that's what he said ... o-o

I, for one, does not like END gear XD
I value power > def. So, I don't like looking like I have a lot of HP and then be a wimp LMAO.

Sero 06-06-2008 10:08 AM

What was what I said? o_o"

And LOL you never looked like a wimp, or weak either <3

You can kill both Sero AND Golden... 0.0 XD

Power is what I'm going for too by level 70. My gears from 64~68 add a total of 80 STR, and I don't have a top and weapon yet. I still don't think that's enough thou =\ anyone would like to add?

Enraya 06-06-2008 10:21 AM

STR from gears doesn't add much o: Omie said it added only like 1 STR point for 11 points ... XD

So I'm going for DEX/SPR instead, maybe with a bit of END o:

I had a pretty good gear set for 4x, and I want nice gear for the 6x set XD I've already given up on my 5x set, LOL.

But really, gear DOES make a darn lot of difference. I was talking to people in PvP zones, and met a lvl 56 with a huge amount of HP and a +9 xbow XD Not to mention I've also met a lvl 40 with 2k HP completely unbuffed with a +9 bow o:
So yeah, it makes difference LOL.

Sero 06-06-2008 10:36 AM

Horizen =P I was there, I added him and yeah he is 56... It struck me, and made me not bring Sero to PvPs ever again even MORE T_T

Ivramire 06-06-2008 10:40 AM

END/SPR/DEX give most benefit in equips


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