Why can't I rep AngellicDeity?
 

I was just looking through some threads, and I noticed AngellicDeity didn't have a +rep button :O

she was banned

oh..makes sense...
I thought you could disable +rep and -rep from your CP or something.

My sister said that she was gonna end up getting banned. Guess she was right.

Banned for what?

Sigh. Angellic was really cool, and very knowledgeable. Sad to see her banned, especially for such a stupid reason, from what it seems.

She's only temp banned, and it was the only way Spirit could stop her, and even then that didn't completely work.

Sigh. It was not for a stupid reason. It was WELL within the boudaries of this forum. She had ample warnings and she CHOSE to disregard the forum rule. I like her also and I hated to do it. Her actions warranted it. I deleted 16 threads that she spammed over and over again and after her account was banned she continued to make alt accounts to continue spamming. If it had been some noob coming over form the Outspark site, ranting about a GM the reaction from some people would have been different.

When was this..? O__O What were the threads about? (I'm half asleep, so I might have missed it in Spirit's post. xD)

Sorry to see her temp-go. She was pretty knowledgeable.

Well, did you try to talk to her about it in pm at all? It was obviously an important issue to her to spam it so much, and though I don't know her well, from what I do know of her she's not the type to just do stuff like that with no good reason.

Not that I owe anyone an explanation. but, yes there was several attempts to communicate. When we issue warnings and infraction, we can chose to type them a PM. I typed a message not only in the thread before it was deleted, but I chose to send her detailed messages in the warning and infraction. Her reply was the same in all, She said refused to comply.

And for the record for everyone, I will not discuss this matter anymore until her ban is over and she has a chance to also come in and post.

I like AngellicDiety and I hated what it came down to. However, we do have certain rules and the mods are here to ensure that the few rules that we do have are followed. If it had been any other mod on at the time this was going on, the actions would have been the same. I just happened to be the only mod on at the time.

I'm kind of confused about something. From what I read, she was mentioning a person's name and what they did. The whole anonymity thing I don't quite understand.

I know its against the rules to target an individual with flames, but should that also be applied to stating a fact about an individual? It seems you can say "So and so is really nice in pvp" but if you say "So and so is really mean in pvp" you break rules, and recieve an infraction or slap on the wrist for flaming or flame-baiting.

Now, while I don't condone people singling others out negativly, if a person in-game is notorious for their wrong-doings, be it scamming people, harassing them in pvp or through guildwar, or just being generally not veyr nice people...don't the other players deserve to know this? Perhaps it might save them from risking an item, or being harassed, etc.

You might think, well, that's giving a person a bad reputation if you let the public know about their ways.

HOWEVER.

Respect, as well as reputation, is something you must earn and work to keep. If they do not want people to tell others of their wrong-doings, they should not do those wrong-doings.

And to me, and a lot of other people, simply stating a fact about somebody - whether it be polishing their shine or showing their grime, a fact is not a flame, is not a harassment, is not an insult, nor derogative jab. It is simply fact.

Also like, I know in guild forums, people are free to discuss who are bad people, and they give names, so does that rule not apply there? If you think about it, if you're going to make such a rule, it should apply to all areas of the forum, the same as if you are allowing one part of the forum to dismiss this rule. It should either be global, or not, and I personally don't see a need for it, as like I said, there is a far, far differene between stating a fact about a person, and flaming or harassing them.

Sorry for the wall of text, lol. I'm just trying to pick apart what I know of this rule. =P

so..much..reading..*English overload in the brain*

Ugh. All of this needs to stop -.- She's banned for a bit and thats that.


Question:

Did the mods come up with the rules for FF? Or did Entropy? If the mods did...didn't Entropy have to agree on them? =\ {Or any Admin @_@ idk}

The guild forum, are for only the people that's in the guild. If we name someone we dislike and talk about them, that person (provided that they're not in the guild) will NOT see it, and there's no way that person can come in and go "they bad mouthed me". Hence not a flame bait.

Plus, a guild forum is another space for a guild to talk apart from the guild chat in game. The guild forums are managed by their own guild admins, our FF Mods does not go into other private guild forums, so you can't apply public rule to a private forum anyway.

It's different when a post can be seen by PUBLIC - hence ANYONE, to a post that's made in Private for authorised users only.




In this case, the subject of interest was only "reminded" about the rules of All the Rage (not to name names). The Mods did not give her an infraction for that, nor did they amend her post (lenient much?). Just simply remind her what the rules are and not to continue breaking the rule.

What got her banned was not that she named someone, but her repeated spam even after warnings. And made it obvious she wont comply.

It's up to the guild mods to decide what is against the rules there. We don't get involved in guild forum affairs. :x

I think you make a good point about the anonymity rule, though.

This is not true, in fact, most of the time never happens. The times it does happen are with very, very immature people. Think about it - surely there were times one of you may have trained somebody, accidentally or they were just "in the way", and they got pissed about it, and yelled at you for it. Did you turn around and call them names?

Other games I have played allowed people to say the name of individuals, on their official forums, and while naturally there were some issues between immature people (as there will be on any forum, regardless of this rule) there was nothing truly out of hand, nothing bashing, just people stating facts, which in the future, helped other players to avoid certain people, or learn not to do business with them, etc. And the few times when something did break out, the mods did their job, and dealt with the issue.

Personally I think this certain rule should be more detailed, because like I said, simply saying what a person does is not flaming.

I know you're trying to do your jobs as moderators, but the idea behind being a mod in most places isn't to go to extremes to prevent things from happening (because trust me, I've been a mod several times, and no matter what extremes you go to, they will always occur) the point is to deal with them and resolve them when they do rise up, while still maintaining a pleasant atmosphere.

Its hard to maintain said atmosphere when people who post publicly feel they're that limited or set in a sunshine and daisies box - in my experience most people come to fan sites to get away from the dictating environments of the officials, so they can be more open about things and more accurately share and learn info.

And I will repeat this until the end, but stating a fact about somebody is not flaming, and if they feel the need to get defensive, maybe they should re-evaluate what they're doing, and change their ways.

Fact does not equal flame.
Disagreement does not equal flame.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Keep it from happening & you don't have to fix it after it does happen. That person named may be that immature person you speak of and if they come here and see it posted then they may well start the flaming.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The main issue that I see about mentioning someone's name negatively is that it's hard to identify what is fact and what is fiction.

Someone can say what they are saying is fact but in that case, all we are doing is taking someone's word for it. A lot of things are subjective. A person might say "Player X is overcharging his Vit T3 scrolls on Teva" but to another perosn, Player X is actually really cheap.

In online situations, there usually isn't any proof about what is said (and honestly, who wants to provide screenshots when all you want to do is Rant about someone?).

^Apparently Angelic did have screens though. She didn't censor the name(s) though. I don't know, I wasn't here when it happened.

Thanks for all the close-minded patronization and de-reps! Made my day <3

Hai Omie <3

Hi derrick.

LOL...I've been quietly watching this thread spiral out of control I didn't really want to say anything on the subject but hey everyone else is doing so I might as well. Where as I don't agree with what Angellic did she spammed and got banned thats all well and good she should have known better then to do that. But I really think the rules in All the Rage are bit too ummm soft*kinda carebearish for lack of a better word*. Naming a Name is not a big deal and I think it should be allowed. It will all be fine if the mods deal with the serious flames when they do pop up. I don't really have much to say on this subject but I think the rules for All The Rage need to be changed. I mean as long as a person isn't flaming the person to pieces and using foul language then there is no problem with naming the name.

So wait, was she banned for mentioning piggie in the falco
thread?

Banned for posting same thread 16 times. I do think we should re-examine All the Rage rules.

there must have been a reason why she spammed the same thread though...?

I dont understand why we HAVE to name names...?

we can still vent on an "issue" without saying who EXACTLY did it right...?

Naming names could cause a problem, if we can do wat we want (ie. vent) without the possibility of causing this problem.. why include names?

Because sometimes the situation requires a name to be named. If I can name a persons name and save another community member the annoyance or maybe save them from being scammed then why should'nt I be allowed to do it? Wouldn't you want someone to be able to do that for you?

Because, Hessah. There are people out there who get off on causing problems for others. They lavish the feeling they get from upsetting them, and some go to extremes just to be a jerk to people.

Sometimes, a name is a good thing to have. Lets you know to stay away from said person, or keep an eye on them should they decide to be a jerk, or try to sabotage you.

You don't HAVE to give names. (Obviously.) But if somebody feels its necessary (and they aren't flaming or being rude about it) who are YOU to tell them they can't? Maybe they're trying to warn you. Maybe trying to get some attention on the subject to maybe get people to help STOP it.

With the name issue, I think its fine if you have screenshots of the incident, there is your proof.

And like tequila said, I think you guys are really being too carebearish about the whole thing.

I just want to remind everyone.

Whether you have a reason or not, creating many duplicate threads on the same thing is a big no-no. Do it, you get banned, regardless of your reasons or how much you have contributed to the community.

If you would like to give a feedback to our forum rules and want to be heard, do it in the manner most of us are doing now (posting it in a thread in a suitable manner). Most ideal way would be to create a thread in Talk with the Mods or make a thread in Site Suggestions and Feedback. Those sections are there for a reason.

As for the All the Rage rule - we will take another look into it. We cannot guarantee a solution right now at this moment, but because no one had spoken up earlier, we did not know that so many people were at discomfort with this rule. Give us some time and we'll tell you what we think.

Site Suggestions and Feedback and Talk with the Mods are there for a reason! Use it.

Thanks kt.

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