KQ: Signs you're screwed.
 

Well, we've all been in those KQ's destined for doom. But what triggers that intuition? What makes you say "it's over" before it all begins? Feel free to leave your own comments (you'll be credited of course), here are some of mine:


Other indications people have suggested:


Anyway, if your KQ falls under any of these categories, I suggest you die ASAP to save yourself from wasting a valuable twenty minutes.

Hmm, it seems people come to this post to rant about their most recent KQ failings. In light of this I've decided to make another post dedicated to this. Vent your anger out on that person that ruined your KQ by getting them on my banlist.

Link: http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/show...&goto=lastpost

When I see tons of people falling over dead, that's my usual signal that it's over. The other one is when I see people walking on the cursed 'treadmill of eternity' (Meaning that I'm in for a disconnection).

@Dynamics: I'm aware of the Edit button. Perhaps I should use it next time since edited posts are actually read here unlike some other places. *Cough*
Oh that's right, while I was once looking for a KQ, there was someone asking me how to make parties/ use skills/ join the KQ. I think the third one on its own tells you everything you need to know...

Edit: - There was actually one time where this happened to me, but it turns out that everyone else got in while I was lagging. Phew.

When your puller pulls wrong bosses. (Mara KQ)

Forgot to add: Not that I've ever been in this situation, but if someone is asking 'Ey, how you use skill?' and that person is a cleric AND there are only two clerics, you might just want to consider pulling that Internet wire out before you feel the urge to pull out your hair.

A-herm. threethreethree

;___;

You were in my KQ yesterday and thanks to my UBER full SPR Fighter's tanking ability, we beat it.

What I meant was that I tried solo-ing a KQ before, you can find it somewhere in the screenshots section.

When you see more than one cleric dying. Anyone BUT clerics can die. I mean, if they don't have enough people to help the cleric kill the mobs or the cleric couldn't heal fast enough, it's usually a bad sign. Whenever I die in a KQ, I don't usually succeed in it. D'x

Yeah. I tried supporting for the Mara Pirate KQ on my cleric but it was hard as hell to keep my party healed up. Even with tons of points on cooldown for my heal, it wouldn't have been fast enough if they didn't have stones and pots. Not to mention the boss killed our tank in one hit...lousy tank...

Oh that reminds me! I can see failure in KQs when someone says they don't have pots. Why?! Why?!?! WHY??! It's ridiculous to go into a KQ without any stones or pots! >_________________________________________>"

OI.;__________;

1. Everyone is disorganized
2. Everyone runs in different directions (Slime, Gold hill KQ)
3. No one mines (Gold hill)
4. Everyone drags on slowly (gold hill again)
5. Clerics refusing to revive when its safe
6. People on the ground spamming for revive to distract the cleric from healing the tank fighting the final boss....especially if their newbies who cannot contribute as much to the final fight.
7. Renin isn't in your group :D

LOL! Did you not bring pots once? I don't remember if you did that once. =P If you did... well you need some good spanking then. You are the monkey in here.

I think you should check the link attached to my original post, it'd answer a lot, not to mention give you a good laugh.

Haha ohh, well I meant if you're trying to succeed in a KQ seriously. I get annoyed at those who's like "HEAL ME HEAL ME" and then when I ask them to heal themselves cos I'm healing the tanker, they'd be like "i dont hv pots". >_>"

There are too many level 17 morons joining KQs. The last 5 Mara KQs I did, have all been failures because..

1. They were mostly Mages.
2. All of the Fighters were under level 20 and were mainly STR.
3. The clerics refused to heal.
4. I've been doing the most damage, so everything attacks me.

...

NO MORE LEVEL 17s. ROAR.

How about when your clerics refuse to heal anyone other than themselves, and proceed to attack every monster they see, die, and call all others noobs, as well as drawing the monsters onto the mages and archers, who then proceed to die as well?

Even though you cant trade the regular way in KQ's you can drop it and have another person pick it up. Its called a drop trade.

That happens to me on my archer :rolleyes:

Yush I know, but still, why can't they be a bit more prepared, rather than having to make OTHER people afford THEIR pots and things for them? If they don't have scrolls, that's fine, scrolls isn't something everybody uses I suppose, but stones or potions is essential for training, isn't it? >_>"

Yeah, the thing is, I don't want anyone to die and be spawned back to Roumen because if we become short of numbers, then we'll surely fail the KQ. ;~; Oh well, but I find that it's just that Mara KQs that piss me off the most. I don't get fustrated in GoldHill KQ so it's cool now.

last mara quest i went into with my fighter i had stones and pots but apparently not enough, i didn't expect to tank anything but i thought i still had enough even if i ended up having to. that however was not the case, i ended up running out of stones when we got to the boats but had some potions and clowd gave me some mroe potions and a vit scroll and i had a def scroll on. clowd was the tank originally but then someone screwed up and in the end there was only 5 of us left ;_;.

anyways to add to the list:
there's only one cleric
that cleric does not have res
that cleric makes the statement "Heal eats too many pots"
at the first miniboss half the group gets wiped out.
you suddenyl start seeing every hawk archer there use nature's protection like they're have a nature's protection war.

I hate clerics who are lower-level than everyone but do nothing at all to support. At least when I enter the Mara KQ I'm healing like mad trying to keep my party alive, as well as healing designated tanks outside the party.

Mara ain't a free run, you gotta do SOMETHING or you'll end up causing massive fail.

OI. I've went in numerous amounts of times without pots/stones, thanks to your threethreethree. Also. I hate that game, especially since you implied that I'm the monkey. ;___;

Mara KQ was really getting annoying went through a stretch of 4 failed KQs in a row because of no decent tanks or clerics

Golden hill isnt that bad but - u should add when people open the doors too soon before everyone is ready
when Tanks cant keep bosses in position
too many people mining and not attacking
ppl that mine next to monsters and end up dying
ppl that arent tanks that aggro bosses


wow i complain a lot

@KingPotBingSoo: Nah you don't complain a lot. I can probably say I complain way more than you, haha!

:33

But really, even though you have survived numerous amounts of times with my threethreethree and no pots, I will still say this. There may be a KQ where there will be only one cleric (like me, today, though you weren't in it), and when that happens, I, or the cleric supporting you, may not always threethreethree you.

Today I was in KQ with me as the only cleric, and the two fighters who were the main tanks did not bring any pots. Because of this, they were entirely dependent on me, and that sucks because I can't always be there next to them when they are at two different places fighting different mobs, and with a whole lot of other people yelling for revive. I was so disappointed today when I asked the tanker to pot for a while because a lot of people were dead, and I had to stand around and wait for the revive cooldown. The reply I got was "I have no pots" and I was like... "...". The thing is, they weren't tankers like full END ones, they were ones that could die pretty fast (not as fast as everyone else, of course), but I will have to be there healing them a lot when there were two or more mobs having a go at them. It was a pain in the ass for me, and I'm sure it would for any other cleric who have experienced in this.

In contrast, I just did a brilliant KQ with no decent tankers (I tanked the last KQ, lolol!). There was only one fighter in the KQ and he was level 24. Although he died a lot in the last boss and didn't talk to me at all when I asked him some questions about defence, I must say he was awesome. Why? BECAUSE HE BROUGHT POTS! There was a time when we were both being attacked by mobs and we were both losing health quickly, and I panicked because I couldn't heal two people at the same time (and I wanted to healed myself first of course). But when I saw him healing himself with stones/pots, I was so excited that I wanted to jump up and down (/exaggeration). But do you know how happy you can make a cleric when you've bothered with getting stones and not being completely dependent on them? Yes, clerics are there to heal, to support, but in some cases (whether it'd be the lack of clerics or the lack of high levels meaning everyone needs a lot of healing), clerics can't be there for you all the time. We aren't god and there is a limit to how much we can do.

I'm sure most of you realise that, but people should bring pots just in case. If you don't use them for KQ, then just save them and use them when you train. What's the problem with that? You are bound to get them later on anyway when you've run out, why not just get it now in case you need it in KQ? Do you want to risk dying and using up all your hearts, wasting your time on a KQ, or be safe and bring pots and survive till the end?

Btw, I'm not just talking to Chinh (it sounded like I was when I read over my post, but no I'm not), but to anyone out there who thinks bringing stones/pots to a KQ is a stupid thing.

My last Mara KQ was utter failure.

1. There were no decent tanks.
2. They kept luring the fakes, even though some of us CLEARLY described the difference between the reals and fakes.
3. Some stupid archer ran into a group of people while getting chased by Marlone, which were all then killed by the AoE attack.
4. I sacrificed a life to lure the damned thing away, only for them to lure yet another fake onto the ship.

Oh by the way, Dynamics suggested talking in Cantonese to them? How DO you type stuff out in Canto? It's like so hard...

Lei jii mm jii dou (How the hell do you express "I"?) gong mut ye?

Ngo ji dou lei gong gun mut yeh.

Just pronounce the words I guess. Any canto people should be able to guess it, unless you spell it in a really weird and retarded way.

Edit: I just did a good KQ but there was one particular idiot in it. He was sitting there in his house and his hp and mp was full, so I was like saying "what's he doing?" Then he said "he's going to work" (Mind you, we're only at the 2nd level). Why join a KQ when you know you've got to go soon? So he said something like this:

Me: What is he doing?
Him: Getting to work. Yeah I have a real life, so get over it I guess.
Me: I'm just wondering why you joined this KQ when you have a real life.
Him: Um because I get exp if you win this.
Me: Without putting in a single effort.
Him: Yeah I did, I killed 3 things back there and punched 4 somethings (forgot what he said).

LIEK OMGWTFBBQ DAT IZ SO AWSUM! HEZ MAI HERO! Not. >___>" I'm glad he has a real life, but what's the use if you're an unthoughtful person? True, we won the KQ easily and whether he was there or not didn't make a difference, but it annoys me to see people taking advantage of others, using them to help themselves without feeling or expressing any kind of appreciation. Sheesh.

Sorry I'm very short tempered today, complained a lot. D:<

It was 4 ores, I think. Not only was Clowd not doing anything, "iamchinese" just stood there at the final boss.

That's true, I just realised my rant was a bit off topic! Sorry about that. xD I'll go get a thread up about that then, I wouldn't mind ranting more about it. LOL!

Oh and another thing to add to the list is probably this (credits to hobo chinh): If you're a FULL SPR fighter (level 29) who's the highest level there, THEN YOU'RE SCREWED! Yeah, chinh got pwnt.

your main tank barely makes the minimum level requirement for the KQ and barely has enough hp to tank the boss ;_; (if it wasn't for the quests i'd never do another mara KQ)

@ Destrus

Yeah, I've written down "there are no tanks," which somewhat covers that base.

@ Blahs

Chinh's been covered =]. Post screenies of Chinh getting pwnt please.

Unfortunately I wasn't with him in that KQ when he got pwnt, but I'm sure it's not hard to fetch more screenies of him getting pwnt anyway, since he gets pwnt every day.

Sounds like some kind of anti-perspirant commercial.


Think lynx.

darn, how about this one: before the dialogue even ends and we can get organized some mage (later to be pwnt) starts attacking the first thing he sees.

oh oh how about at the first mini boss one of the few clerics runs straight out to him and gets pwned

Oh I've got another one! When you're in a KQ and trying to organise a tanker and things but no one is listening to you. Then they all rush into the boss and like Des said, they all get pwnt together.

OINK OINK OINK.

Okay I'll chip in. I participated in a KQ where I was the highest level, a full SPR Fighter. Due to the massive boosts in END, I can tank fairly easily with the aid of a few clerics. However, in this KQ I was the highest level(29) with the next highest being a level 26 Archer. Only to add to my misery was a particularly annoying mage *cough*17_APPLE*cough* that told me to tank everything, and I mean everything.

"menu u bad tnak u go 1st n tank everyfink." This dumbass kept telling me that, believing that I could be everywhere at once. He died 19324612094 times from being too hasty, without waiting for the rest of the group to catch up and blamed me for his deaths albeit the fact that he was level 21 or something.

"menu u cna do better than that"

I ended up failing this KQ, almost killing the final boss before the time ran out.

After this I participated in a KQ with nubcakes(Blaaaahs), succeeding in this KQ reasonably easily.

I just keep lol'ing how he calls you menu! LMAO! What's for lunch, chinh?

Here is a good one........

When the Key is obviously on the right hand side and everyone goes left in Golden Hill KQ (last area before boss)

Another not real sign: when i start complaining about time

here's my bad ;_;- when the tank forgets not everyone's gonna think to only attack the one that the tank is attacking unless they can actualyl tank it. this was mara, i had like 4 fighters, a couple elites, and eventually a marine on me cause well what happened was this:

when we got to the first mara and marlone i suddenly came to the realisation that i may just have to tank this time cause the other person who would tank had 648hp and i think that was with a vit. i had 740 no vit. then i used a vit and i got convinced to be the tank. it went ok but i'm not used to heals (does heal have a cooldown? what's the casting time on it? i don't have a cleric yet that's why i'm asking.) so i used stones anyways. it started out bad because this one idiot pulled bother mara and marlone and got people killed. we regrouped told all the healers to stay on me. well this idiot started attacking again so of course one of the healers started healing him. i didn't die though cause i still had a healer and i was using stones and pots just in case. well the idiot eventually died too many times cause everybody told the clerics not to res him and he was gone by the time we finished there.

ok so now somebody starts complaining about time so i'm like screw it so i started running. it seemed like some people were keeping up with me... but i think it was just my cleric guildy now but anyways when i got to the boat i had a ton of things on me and didn't want to just rush in to the boat not knowing who was there. i figured they did like before every time i tried to run and started fighting things. so i stopped and turned to look. i now realised that there were too many on me and knew i had to at least stun one of the fighters which i did... so then everybody started attackign random things ;_;. there was carnage... lots of it... as seemingly every mage fell to the might of the mara pirate crew. it was both tragic and hilarious. but anyways no harm done. we got through the first boat fine. <--- ok that was the part that was my bad, now on to the rest.

<_< problem was when we picked one to pull and nobody was listening when we were telling them to go back down. the puller got pissed and said screw you guys i hope you die and pulled marlone (the real one of course, he was mad but still did his job). at least he pulled it though so i got it off him but was trying to tell people to gtfo but there were still idiots up there even after he pulled it. i ended up dieing and the mages would not stop attacking. he killed a couple mroe people. i got up and went down the stairs and i'm like this is why you're supposed to gtfo when we're gonna pull. so yea there i was no vit scroll. i died about 6 more times cause he would do the aoe and immediately attack right after and not all teh healers listened when we told them to spam heal on me. well anyways lots of carnage, mass murder, etc. followed.

then the i think only archer there was trying to give me a vit scroll. i kept trying to pick it up but i was having problems. then i saw somebody run by and the scroll disappeared. i checked my inventory hoping i got it but just didn't get the message. nope not there. we practically went on a witch hunt trying to figure out who took it. all i knew was that it disappeared when whoever ran by. and that whoever was a fighter. last suspect: Ksand, though nothing can be proven so no burning at the steak.

at this point we knew it was over <_<. oh but the thing that really pissed me off was when somebody called me a bad tank. umm excuse me it wasn't my fault you people were too stupid to follow directions when somebody tells you to get away from the F****** boss with a aoe that one shots you thus pissing off the pulelr causing him to pull too soon, getting me killed, and making me waste my only vit scroll on a failed KQ. so whoever said that whose name i can't remember F U.

and that's the story of the fail KQ, sorry for turning this into a rant about mara/everything that goes wrong with mara, the KQ from hell thing.

-EDIT- just to add to the fail: i started with a full stock of stones (46 hp and 23 sp). by the time the fail was over i was nearly out of potions, actually ran out of tier 1 hp potions and had to switch to tier 2

It's cool. You can let it all out here. A lot of people seem to experience frustrating situtions with KQ's at least once. Here you can just vent out and let loose all those feelings, and turn them into a joke to laugh at later. Anyway, if people talk shit to you during the KQ when you aren't doing anything wrong, just relax and don't worry so much about it.

@4swordlink

Nobody really can guess where the key is. I've seen instances where the key for the final gate is discovered right after the Marlone. I generally find that it's polar opposite of the gate you arrive from, so I personally prefer going left, as you clear the monsters to the final gate while simultaneously finding the key. It's just the most efficient way to do things, that's why everyone usually goes left.

@Destrus: Ah, you poor thing. Mara is my least favourite KQ of all times and I don't want to do it again. I don't think I ever will until open beta when I have to (if I want to level up faster). Mara KQ is a really fustrating thing and half the times I get pissed by the end of it. Telling people to come down the stairs before the last boat so the puller can get the real one is a PISS OFF! Don't people understand what "STAY HERE" means? Like seriously, how hard is it? I've often screamed and shouted, telling people to come down or they will die, but they don't listen and when they don't they die. Those people are the ones that always think their right and doesn't bother communicating with the rest of the people. It's really annoying, and it's all bLARGHh all the time. Sigh, you'll probably get used to it later, haha!

Edit: Forgot to answer the heal thing you asked. Heal has a 3 second cool down. I don't know how many clerics does this but I have put my heal down to 2.1 second cooldown. So yeah. XD Supposedly it'd be safer to have more than one cleric healing so you then can take turns healing while the other cool downs, if you know what I mean.