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Kaidela 04-19-2008 12:22 PM

Level 60 Job Change
 
Okay. I turned 60 yesterday, and figured that all I had to do was the easy job change. Part one was simple. Part two was easy, even though I picked wrong eleven times (I counted). Part three, though... well, I've failed it a few times now. >_> The second time I was close, with only two minutes left. I just can't seem to get agro off the idiots... any tips? T_T

Blaaaaaaaah 04-19-2008 12:35 PM

Haven't done it myself, but:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah
Hessah's Tips for Clerics - Part 3

As we don't have Mock or AOE skills, and we can't heal Roumen and Elderine, Part 3 can get very hectic.

My observation is, spamming heal and rejuvenate DOES NOT draw aggros very effectively. (You can try, but it didn't work very well for me.) I found myself wasting time spamming heal that I don't need (as the mobs hit relatively softly, only does about 20-40 damage).

Firstly, when monsters spawns, they usually spawn in two groups from two sides of the map, try run up to one group and have them attack you 1st. The other group will go and attack the NPCs at the same time, so you go and work the other group off the NPCs.

I draw aggro by hitting the monsters that are hitting the NPCs twice, and that was sufficient for me to get the aggro back. (But I used a +9 hammer, you might have to hit it once more if your weapon isn't enhanced). There's less chance of Roumen and Elderine dying if you prioritize taking aggro off the NPCs rather than trying to kill the monsters.

At many points in this part, monsters and NPC are often overlapping and cluttered together, you can't see which monster is hitting who (you, Elderine or Roumen), making it hard to see which monsters you have to hit to get the aggro off the NPCs. My advice is to move away from the entire group of mess, this will walk the monsters that you've already got aggro out of the group, and make it clear which monsters are left, that you have to get off the NPCS.

Good luck!

http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Job_Ch...e_and_Spaces_3

Taken from guild forum (I hope lvra doesn't mind =P)
Quote:

Originally Posted by lvramire
The fun/boring part. This is the part which most clerics say is either really hard or really easy. I know someone who failed this part over 10 times and he/she is an experienced player. Then again, there's some people who had absolutely no trouble so I dunno.

No trick to it, all you have to do is be the closest thing to the mobs when they spawn. Spamming Rejuvenate/Heal/Whatever doesn't seem to be as effective in catching aggro so just bash them onto you. After every mob spawn is a short interlude in which the NPCs recover health. They then signal that a new wave of mobs is about to begin with a relevant chat-box. Look for the tell-tale spawn glow and run to it. Try to be as close to as many spawn-points as you can. Just alternate Bash and Trip/Bleed and normal attacks to get as many of them onto you as possible.

Don't panic. If the NPCs are being mobbed, step back a bit and see who's more in trouble (Elderine or Roumen) Just get the mobs off them by attacking and let the NPCs deal the finishing blows


Kaidela 04-19-2008 12:45 PM

Thanks... I didn't know it was in the Wiki, sorry. @_@

But yeah, I've already been doing that. Plus I kill so slow that they don't have time to regenerate hp half the time.

Blaaaaaaaah 04-19-2008 12:50 PM

Lmao it's okay~

Hm well lvra pointed out that you don't actually need to kill them - just hit them a few times to take aggro off of NPCs? But then you said you find it hard to take aggro off so not sure @_________@"

<-- is not looking forward to her own job change @.@~

Kaidela 04-19-2008 01:03 PM

*Failed two more times xD*

A couple times I had all the agro, but then the idiots would attack and half the mob would go to them. D: And I suck at clicking on the mobs that are attacking them when I'm already surrounded (tab hates me). I'm gonna wait a bit til I try again. ><

booyah8876 04-19-2008 01:11 PM

See...

everyone says that rejuv doesn't help...

but I beg to differ.

I would seriously suggest that you learn the spawn points of all those little stupid Elf things... because those are the bishes. If you can run near their spawn point, then hit Rejuv and heal, you'll hold aggro on those until you can kill all of the big Lizardmen dudes...

and Elderine seems to have a LOT less def than Roumen... so yeah

keep her alive :3

Kaidela 04-19-2008 01:17 PM

I spammed rejuv on my first attempt... didn't seem to do anything. >.>

And it seems that at the beginning, Elderine is the one in danger, but then Roumen ends up dying at about the 5 minute left point.

Enraya 04-19-2008 01:25 PM

I'm far from adding in anything, but try going for Kingdom Quest Failure if you haven't got it already xDDDD

Kaidela 04-19-2008 01:27 PM

LOL! I will. ._.

booyah8876 04-19-2008 01:27 PM

rofl. xD

Well...

I could post all the screenies of myself failing...

until I ran over to the Elf spawn point, and was spamming Rejuv.

It doesn't pull aggro away from Eld/Roumen... it simply holds aggro on the ones that are already attacking you...

and if you can get the elf guys as soon as they spawn, and spam rejuv... you'll hold onto them while picking off the Lizards.

But what do I know?

I've only beat it, and am lvl 65.

Kaidela 04-19-2008 01:28 PM

Okay, I'll try that on my next attempt. >_< Thanks for the tip.

Isuma 04-20-2008 08:27 AM

>_<
 
You guys make everything seem hard >-_-< Just run towards the lizards and use rejuv and heal as close in timing as possible alot of lizards should be on you, Then go to the heroes n just spam heal, after 4 heals use rejuv n start running slowly around the camp close to the fire but stopping to cast rejuv after its cooled, repeat steps until your done... it isnt that hard just dont forget the heroes help too

Ivramire 04-20-2008 08:38 AM

Uhh, even without spamming Rejuvenate/Heal at any time, I didn't have trouble taking and holding aggro. I just made sure to be there when they spawned and normal attacked/Bashed mobs to get them on me.

There weren't ever any mobs on the NPCs, except at the beginning of the spawn where you take them off and the one or two the heroes were attacking at the time.

Rejuvenate and all didn't seem to have any effect in holding/taking aggro so I just attacked and didn't have any trouble.

No, I didn't have a +9 Hammer/ scrolls >__>

+0 NPC Mace ftw!

Hessah 04-20-2008 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaidela (Post 128375)
*Failed two more times xD*

A couple times I had all the agro, but then the idiots would attack and half the mob would go to them. D: And I suck at clicking on the mobs that are attacking them when I'm already surrounded (tab hates me). I'm gonna wait a bit til I try again. ><

When u're surrounded by a heap of mobs... where u get to the point u couldnt see which ones are hitting you, and which ones are hitting the NPCs, walk away from the NPC, and u should be able to drag the mobs that u've got aggro... and you'll leave behind the group that's still attacking the NPC...

sometimes its worth walking a bit further away coz the NPC seems to be a bit slow at helping you attack... Elderine didnt react for about 2 mins when i pulled the mob far away from her...

if that's any help =)

Kaidela 04-20-2008 12:08 PM

Well anyway, I finished it. >.< I think when I failed the first time it screwed me up. Thanks for the help. xD

Lady-Loki 04-20-2008 01:44 PM

Gratz Gratz and more Gratz!

That was a stressful painful quest and I could never get the aggro on me.

I got lvra, my new hero, to finish mine for me coz it stressed me out too too much. And lvra was in there chatting to guildies the whole time. Meh, when I was trying I was non stop attacking trying to get & hold aggro and still failed.

Triumph 04-20-2008 02:02 PM

It wasn't nearly as hard as some people make it sound.

An alternative would've been to simply hit each mob once or twice, but that can be hard to do when they're all stacked and clustered on top of each other.

Kaidela 04-20-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady-Loki (Post 129082)
Gratz Gratz and more Gratz!

That was a stressful painful quest and I could never get the aggro on me.

I got lvra, my new hero, to finish mine for me coz it stressed me out too too much. And lvra was in there chatting to guildies the whole time. Meh, when I was trying I was non stop attacking trying to get & hold aggro and still failed.

That's exactly how I felt. I'm glad I'm not alone. xD In the end, I had a guildie help me finish too. >< I was getting so frustrated with it, lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 129098)
It wasn't nearly as hard as some people make it sound.

An alternative would've been to simply hit each mob once or twice, but that can be hard to do when they're all stacked and clustered on top of each other.

Exactly. They were stacked together. I tried running away, but that just wasted time... it was a mess.

Lady-Loki 04-20-2008 06:47 PM

I was also annoyed when i got in there and was faced with a quest that required you to take and hold aggro yet the only skill a cleric has that comes close to an aoe is rejuvenate and to a lesser degree heal and yet in there neither of these worked as an aoe. And to further the frustration the skill for which we are suppose to be built, heal, does no good since we could not even heal the NPC's as we attempted to pull or kill off the mobs.

grrrrrr

And YAY for having guildies to help! I told someone in my guild the other day that if we aren't there to help guildies then we might as well be randoms.


Hessah 04-20-2008 11:55 PM

LOL i dont understand how lvra finds it so easy!

Roumen also died the 2nd time for me.. i only JUST saved him...

Maybe he's a lot quicker.... that 3rd part required some fast reactions...

Kyrillos 04-26-2008 07:29 AM

...

Can't you heal the NPC's?

Hessah 04-26-2008 09:52 AM

nope!

if we could that'll solve A LOT of the problems

Kaidela 04-26-2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyrillos (Post 133096)
...

Can't you heal the NPC's?

I don't suck THAT much kthx. ._.

Yami 04-26-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyrillos (Post 133096)
...

Can't you heal the NPC's?

Believe me, we had it easy. AoE ftw!

Kyrillos 04-26-2008 05:20 PM

T1 Speed+T3 Def+T3 Vit+Magic Burst=Win

Not healing NPC=Fail D:

...

This deserves patched Outspark...

Kaidela 04-27-2008 01:44 AM

Oh well, doesn't matter to me now. :D I never have to do it again.

Kyrillos 04-27-2008 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaidela (Post 133310)
Oh well, doesn't matter to me now. :D I never have to do it again.


-demotes you to 59.99 and HighCleric-

Kaidela 04-27-2008 02:51 AM

That's okay, Yami can do part 3 for me again. :DD

Ethelinde 04-27-2008 06:02 AM

Mages have more than just an easy time with this quest lol... I guess its fair treatment for them being the most difficult during l20 lvl up (although all are easy). xD

Kyrillos 04-27-2008 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaidela (Post 133329)
That's okay, Yami can do part 3 for me again. :DD

LMSO (Laugh MY Socks Off)

MaxOff 04-27-2008 01:00 PM

first failed the 3th part. I started with a lot of t3 buffs active, just to realize that the monster now deal 1-4dmg on me. Because of that i could hold aggro with my heal, and the monsters were always running to the npc's :(.
So i made 2 strategy adjustments.

1st I noticed that the spawn points are fixed, but the position of Roumen and Elderine is not. So i moved them, with the help of the mobs(roumen and elderine att the mobs, and the mobs att/follow me). It works as long they are attacking, because after that they mov slowly back. Now the Trick: Everytime they started talking i moved up to the camp the monster spawn soon after. And because they cant find Roumen and Elderine(who are a bit behind killing a few monster) they all attack u. Now move back and wait for the next wave, but make sure to keep aggro. (aoe attacks or in cleric case:rejuvenate)

My 2nd Trick is cleric spezifc. Because i had too much def, they did not hurt me at all. So i removed my armor. That way dmg increased nicely. Why did i do that? Because Heal/Rejuvenate aggros as much as u heal: no heal no aggro. But u only aggro monster that attack the one u are healing. So u cant take aggro from the npc's that way.


Hope that will help ya. With these Trick i finished with +0 weapon and npc unharmed.

Lady-Loki 04-27-2008 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxOff (Post 133429)
first failed the 3th part. I started with a lot of t3 buffs active, just to realize that the monster now deal 1-4dmg on me. Because of that i could hold aggro with my heal, and the monsters were always running to the npc's :(.
So i made 2 strategy adjustments.

1st I noticed that the spawn points are fixed, but the position of Roumen and Elderine is not. So i moved them, with the help of the mobs(roumen and elderine att the mobs, and the mobs att/follow me). It works as long they are attacking, because after that they mov slowly back. Now the Trick: Everytime they started talking i moved up to the camp the monster spawn soon after. And because they cant find Roumen and Elderine(who are a bit behind killing a few monster) they all attack u. Now move back and wait for the next wave, but make sure to keep aggro. (aoe attacks or in cleric case:rejuvenate)

My 2nd Trick is cleric spezifc. Because i had too much def, they did not hurt me at all. So i removed my armor. That way dmg increased nicely. Why did i do that? Because Heal/Rejuvenate aggros as much as u heal: no heal no aggro. But u only aggro monster that attack the one u are healing. So u cant take aggro from the npc's that way.


Hope that will help ya. With these Trick i finished with +0 weapon and npc unharmed.


That advice might have worked, and had I had that before I attempted I would have tried it. I used all the advice I had been given and it was fail fail fail and I was so stressed and pissed I logged off and was going to try walking away for a few days but then decided to ask a guildie to help me out.

I tried the spawn point positioning, and immediately after the spawn I would have the aggro of several, but shortly thereafter they seemed to smell blood from the ones I didn't aggro attacking idiot NPC's and like rabid hyenas they all ran for the feast.

Heal & rejuv was not, I repeat NOT doing a dam thing. Perhaps had I actually had some damage to myself to heal then heal & rejuv may have acted as aoe skills, but I was not able to keep aggro long enough to be damaged and need heal.

OR, if I could heal those dam annoying, won't stay where I can get to you and the mobs, constantly attacking & running further away dummmmmasss NPC's then maybe my heal on them would have pulled aggro. But NOOOOOOOO! the freakin Koreans, in their infinite wisdom, decided clerics don't have enough grief with hearing "buff pl0x buff pl0x buff pl0x pleeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!11 1!!!!!!" 600 times an hour so they had to make the L60 quest one where your primary skill is just to have patience enough to try try again. And again and again and again.

Yeah, I know I repeated my self several times in that rant, but even though it has been over a week since I was stressed to the limits by it, it still annoys the hell out of me. /rant

Thank you for that advice MaxOff. I will save it for the next cleric I see asking for advice on getting through it.


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