King Quest - The Obnoxious breed of clerics
 

Well, its certainly no surprise as a lower level, and its becomming more and more frequent that you can expect to be without a party or without a cleric in the King Kong Phino.

However, I just recently got out of a Phino King Quest with two clerics.

Although I'd like to make their names known I've deemed it wiser to leave their identities unknown.

Now, the king kong phino had 15 participants. 3 full parties could potentially be created. However, both the clerics were in the same party. Now this aggrivated me. 10 people were left without a cleric.

Now I know its not possible for 3 full parties, and I was willing to accept the fact that I wouldn't be partied. But, you would assume that at the very least they would split up and at least cover a total of 10 people instead of 5 people.

After a polite request - that went ignored, I'll admit I handled the situation in an dissatisfactory manner. I could've killed the King Kong Phinoflie - which I brought to the brink of death. After requests from two decent individuals who were also without clerics, I ceased.

Now I know not all clerics are like this. There are many good ones out there. But I just cant help wondering whats going through their heads.

Thats pretty much the end of the rant, your thoughts? :p

They are noobs and only think of themselves, they just want to win by themselves, total..noobs

It's sad that that kind of thing happens in KKP, too. Slime, Mara, GH, even Robo I can understand, but... ouch. xP

That's what happens when everyone thinks there's an OP class :/

Everyone new takes that Job and stuff it up for everyone, unless they
purposefully try to do better.

-jotting down do's and dont's, since I will be leveling my cleric starting in 2 weeks. :D
But, yeah - she is already a level 30 and the only time I have refused to heal is when they are being an ass to me. Do not yell at me, I am doing the best I can do!!!! It is hard when you have mages and archers in your party in Gold Hill who think they can tank WHEN we have sufficient tanks.

I is dreading Robo on this little girl. :eek:

*palmface* People. Sheesh. The only time I ever refused to heal somebody in a KQ was when I went in honeying, and the highest fighter there kept pulling like....far too many mobs, and blamed me for his death (I can only heal so fast) and then got pissed at the clerics for being there (three of us) so two of us boycotted healing him :3

Yeh, well people like that obviously do NOT deserve the heal. :P And Clerics who aren't even trying to heal me through my pots/stones do not deserve my taunts (especially if it's a Cleric in my party). XD

if your going to win...do it with..........class and respect?

As the old clerics retire, the new ones replace them.

Many of the experienced clerics have found clerics to be boring, and have moved on to different characters or quit altogether. Myself included. After all, everyone thinks is that a cleric is only supposed to sit and heal. How tedious. As a result, the new breed of clerics hits mobs and doesn't heal.

I would say something scathing as a rebuttal.

Too bad it's all true :/

O hay that was me! :D Unfortunately, people like that guy are pretty common. :P

Eh, when I started, there are noob clerics anyway. I am always cleric-less

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of cleric I don't want to be. >.< However, on a sympathetical note, I can understand how the less intellectually endowed people get the idea of "I can heal myself, why not just solo and forget everyone else?" Not being forgiving just... *sigh*

Always the healer's fault..
 

Healers get a bad reputation in ANY online game for any number of reasons. The plain truth is its hard to keep every jerk at their maximum potential, especially with all the bad mages, archers, and warriors in this game. There's nothing I hate more than the 'damage dealer' warrior. I understand that you play this game the way you want, and that's fine by me, but why would I want to party with you when your just going to end up with me working twice as hard? This goes for the mage who decides to try to solo things in KQs and the archer who tries to outdamage everyone and dies to a mob because it attacks him. I think the main problem, especially with the higher level KQs is that clerics are tired of taking all the heat from a massive mob of non healers.

As far as parties go, if you aren't making a party, then you probably have little room to complain. I've been there, where they invite all the clerics to a single party. When I pop in and get an invite I accept and see how the party is made up. If there's some lower level guy making a party because the higher end people are all standing around screaming PT! PARTY ME! LVL XX PARTY PLS! Then why the hell should I join that group when they obviously don't want to handle the HUGE responsibility of clicking on a few different classes. Yes I might end up in a 5 Cleric heal brigade. I might not want to LEAVE this however, since nobody else seems to want to group and I don't feel I should have to hold your hand (unless its an early KQ, like slimes or Mara). If you can't handle the responsibility of making your own party, you shouldn't even be in a KQ.

A third problem is the lack of healers (Clerics, Paladins, whatever) that join the KQs. I've been in some where i've been the only one, and some where there's 2 to a group or more. That's pretty much a random thing that can't be helped. Ideally the single healer goes with the main tank and a couple other people, preferably (but not always) a high level mix of mages and archers, maybe a secondary tank.

I love the way its the bad healers fault. Yeah maybe there's some. Can a KQ be finished without a healer? I think so, but people would have to slow down, use pots and stones, and actually help each other out. Actually devise strategies and maybe control aggro effectively.

Finally, its not a cleric's job to heal YOU. Unless YOU are the main tank. If you are, its YOUR job to have the def buffs that you can aquire on your own, and an ample supply of stones / pots to fill in when and where the healer just isn't enough. I get a little angry when its always a cleric bashing day. Sure , there might be some bad clerics out there, but we all have our bad days and at least WE know we will always be wanted.

ROFLMAO. I can understand that, as I'm getting a bit bored of my cleric myself.

@Muon:

Man, I used to have the same view as you. I've been playing as a cleric for most my Fiesta life and I haaaaaaaaaaaaate it when people go complaining we don't do our job properly. It's like "shoosh and just use some damn pots because I can't heal fast enough!" Which is true, is some cases and when you're really trying.

But now, I see differently. I mean, it's actually kinda hard to find good clerics in KQs these days. The new generation is clerics is pretty disgusting. Either that or I'm just unlucky. I have recently started a mage and I've been KQing my way up to level 25. I can't say much about slime because people are still new, but I'm sure by the time you get to the Mara stage, you will at least know how to heal properly.

Back when I played on my cleric at low levels, other clerics are usually pretty good. But now, at least 50% of the clerics are pretty bad. The other 50% who is good are usually the ones who have another higher level character and know what they're supposed to do.

In Angellic's case, that's even worse, considering how King Kong Phino is a high levelled KQ, you would think that people at that level would at least know how to play their classes properly.

According to Angellic, they didn't even bother! That's just sad. -shakes head-

in a KQ i totally agree cleric=healer. there is a limit to how fast we can heal. personally i put my early skill points into bash for soloing, ive only just started to add to heal recover time, so its a bit slower than others who've prioritised differently. obviously i can only speak from personal experience but i spend the entire KQ looking at the bars on the left showing my teams health. thats it.
i look, i cast heal, heal charges, i cast heal, heal charges, i cast heal......etc.

when theres one cleric and 4 other party members it only takes one silly damage dealer standing too close to the action, or drawing too many mobs to make me look really stupid and incompetant. im not. tell me what more can i do?

and by the way when not in a KQ i dont just heal i hit stuff too.

why? because all it takes is a double click on a bad guy then i can look back
at my bars and heal, and charge heal, and heal...etc. do i do lots of damage? no, do i stop healing effectively? no, do i get myself killed because i attract aggro? no, do i waste skill points on attacking when i should be healing? no! so please dont nag me about it!

i dont tell you how to do your bit!

i do my best and i think i help more than just standing there waiting for heal to recharge! in KQ no just heal, in rest of the world let me hit stuff!!!! its no harm just helping.

No offence pal but go do something else play checkers or something cuz u definetely suck as far as theory about how people should act.

U state u hate DD fighters, u might wanna reconsider that cuz a big majority of the best tanks in this games (including myself) are str based tankers. Can i tank?, yes i can tank pretty much anything you can think off EVEN without cleric but if i have a cleric in my party and he isn't healing yes i will bitch at him and eventually ban him from party. In a KQ clerics are only good for 2 things BUFF and HEAL if they dont' do those 2 things they should just delete and play another class, as a cleric in a KQ can't do **** as far as damage goes.

U say is not he cleric job to heal u?, another retarded statement, if the cleric is not supposed to heal than fighter is not supposed to tank and mage not supposed to attack with high damage spells, please dude use your head and your brain before saying something as retarded as "IS NOT THE CLERIC JOB TO HEAL YOU" if u got a cleric in your party IT IS HIS DUTY TO HEAL THE WHOLE PARTY TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY.

A good cleric will NEVER heal himself and worry about the party while he would use stones and pots to keep himself alive. I partied and know the best clerics on Teva and not one ever stated something as retarded as what u said "not my job to heal u dude".

Also pal another totally retarded remark is saying u would actually like being stuck in a 5 cleric party, hmmmm given how much damage the clerics can do the 5 of u will basically leech the KQ while the other ten finish the KQ and any player that is aware of the importance and job of the cleric will agree with me on the fact that the cleric is responsible of supporting the party with heal and buffs and not go out fighting.

You say every player is responsible of making his party?, that is stupid what if u get 7 parties of 2 people, will that mean the players there are responsable. NO on the contrary it will mean the KQ is made of 14 freakin noobs and 1 unlucky guy who is partyless cuz he tried to form his own party but everyone told him "sorry everyone is duoing, u have to solo now that u were to slow".

Nobody should blame the cleric when a KQ fails as pretty much everyone did something wrong, but when u get 2 clerics in the same party while 2 other parties don't have a cleric than we have a problem.

Your post totally pissed me off how u r trying to say is not the cleric job to heal and that u hate a DD fighter cuz in your opinion he can't tank. DUDE sorry to say but u r a big time NOOB.

>_< OMG i went all out on the poor guy :D ^^

lol I could sit here all night and poke holes in your statement but I won't bother. I dont really think you even understood what he was trying to say. He said healers get bad reputations in every game which is true. No matter what happens if a party wipes the healer gets blamed. If the warrior is crappy and can't tank the healer gets blamed. If the warrior is stupid and pulls too many mobs the healer also gets part of the blame. If the warrior is stupid and uses a axe instead of a shield+sword the healer gets blamed because he cant keep the paper warrior alive. He also stated he hates DD warriors*that means warriors with axes and 2 hand swords*. I don't care how much defense you have or whatever your defense will never compare to a shield+sword warrior of the same level and equal equipment. Why would any cleric want to waste time , mp pots and stones keeping you alive when he can just party with a Shield user.

Also I see you like to throw the word noob around. It doesn't really make you seem pro or whatever. I could call you a noob if I wanted too and be justified because I've played this game longer then you and know more about it then you could possibly know. He has a opinion and you have yours. I don't think you need to call him a noob to get your point across whatever it was. You say you can tank just about anything I could name without a cleric. We'll see how far you really go without one when the cap is raised again ^.^.

The reason I made a cleric was because of the alarming increase in the number of clerics in this non-healing "breed". I'm an archer at heart :). No really, I am.

I honestly tell u for most part u r talking bs that is fake. I can guarantee u i'm a better tank than most full end tankers, call me arrogant call me whatever u want but whether u like or not or believe it or not i'm one of the best tanks on the server and Teva is famous for having a very big number of good tanks, i highly doubt u know even half as much as i now as far as fighter class goes as i have been testing pretty much every aspect build and skill enhancement myself to find one to cover all the needs, also i been taking advice from some of the best fighters on Teva.

Personally i have clerics that will always like to party with me ^^ and i have tons of friends that will always take me in their party but the thing is....... I intend to solo my way to 89 since i can make around 5mil+ if not over 7mil+ in the new dungeon per hour that is ;), so really your statement telling me i won't go far without a cleric is lol at the least amusing me XD.

Oh and just so u know ;) i have about 13xx defence with axe, most fighters that even use shield dont' have nearly that much defence :D so yeah i can compare and overpass the big majority of shield users :D. The chances another player will have equip as good as mine is pretty low to very low lol as i have some of the best equip for fighter on the server therefore your if is again useless ROFL. I can get about 7k hp with scroll and cleric buff sure a full end will have more but do u really need more?, not really ;).

And his statement were false no matter how u try to twisting them, stating is not a cleric job to heal in kq?, beg your pardon? than what is his job? leech?

I do agree clerics should not be blamed when something goes wrong in the party, i for one hardly ever blame the cleric as i have a different point of view. I think the fighter should be able to tank even without cleric but if u do have a cleric and he isn't healing i would rather have a backup devastate or a dps. A cleric not healing is something i just can't imagine o_O.

Also i don't care if people consider me a noob or pro, in the end my background speaks for itself and the people that know me will tell u exactly how bad or good I am :).

Oh and i already tanked in Flaming Mine and 13xx defence was more than enough to solo on Cursed Knights, mind u several of them at once. I plan on soloing in dungeon with charm on and fully buffed up, that will give me over 25xx defence so i won't even break a sweat :p.

Oh and one more thing the best fighters are the ones that know how to combine power with tanking. U said a warrior is stupid if it doesn't uses shield and 1h, i'm sorry but your statement is just as stupid. What is the point of using a 1h and shield when with axe u r perfectly safe. I can give u right now at least 30 examples of perfectly able fighters to tank dozens of monsters using Axes. If u can do your job great with extra power, than y sacrifice the power.

In my book u r not as experienced as u pretend to be since u keep enforcing a warrior is stupid if it doesn't uses 1h and shield. And so what if u played longer, knowledge doesn't always come with time, u also have to have the capability to learn from what you experience but eve from experience alone i highly doubt u experienced as many situations as i did in fighter class with your fighter (that is if u have one).

Also when tanking it takes more than just good equipment, it also takes skill ;), knowing when to mock, when to dev, how to kick and which mobs to attack. So yeah give another fighter as good equipment as u will give me and he won't necesarily do a better job ;).

I think Teq's thinking more along the lines of people who don't use large amounts of +9s >.<

From that perspective, your different stand-points aren't quite so far-apart.

No I don't really *talk bs as you put it.* I played Fighter long before you probably played Fiesta on B.K and on KFiesta. Do you even know what happens after 89? No I don't think so it'll be interesting to see what you do when you guys do find out. As for your equip your probably spent mass amounts on the cash shop to achieve it so its not really that big of a accomplishment in otherwords you have nothing to be arrogant about. Also just so you know all the *best* tanks quit Fiesta and moved to B.K a very long time ago. Most of the names I'd mention are first generation players and C.B Testers.

I'm in class at the moment so I dont have time to do the math so I'll jus do it with out numbers. You say you have 13XX defense without a shield undoubtly using +9's. I said a FIGHTER USING EQUAL EQUIPMENT AND OF EQUAL LEVEL...thats called a example I didnt say there was one on Teva now did I? You are using +9 Blue Equips I assume? Give those + and shield+9*with good stats* to a shield user and tell me why you could possibly think he'd have less defense then you. Imo you're just cocky for nothing ^.^. What you've done is no big accomplishment seeing as Outspark basically gift-wrapped upgrading via the cash shop ^.^.

It's funny with Clerics.

Love 'em, or hate 'em. That's how it is...

May I just remind you all to keep the tone of your posts down. Calling someone a noob or telling someone they are talking BS is really not the way to go.

Thank you.

well like some clerics get to the point were they hate everyone
wanting to pt with them and wen they die they get mad at cleric
but me na i love helping i was in aew and i saw oichi who i didnt
no soloing and i was like oh wut the heck so i started healing her
like every mob :D and i got a thnx everytime i did it it made my day

So many people create clerics and go STR build (I've got nothing against the STR build clerics, just a generalisation lol) just because it's so easy and cheap. They don't care about their responsibilities as a cleric in a KQ. They just join it for the exp and rewards. I hate them. They should all die a very painful painful death.

I understand that those are the main functions of a cleric...

but no one will ever have the right to say that people are only good for certain things.

I will buff and heal... but if the main tank is in another party, and he's not dying... I'm not going to sit in the back and wait for someone to get hurt... I'll get in there and attack as hard and as best as I can.

I put my +9 to use.

LMAO u talk like my grandpa XD, saying best players already quited and moved on is like saying "back in my old days when everything was good" ROFL. Sorry pal but just because u prolly moved to BK doesnt' mean the world is out of good players. ALSO who cares i haven't seen what comes after level 79 i'm talking about how things are in the present so you really make no sense ^^. As far as what u said about same level same equip blah blah, of course is common sense to use 1h and shield and go pure end for tanking DUUUUH. But in the long run if u can tank with axe and being pure strength i dont' see where the problem is. You yourself said that a fighter tanking with axe is an idiot well pal that is kinda fake, u take the appropiate measures depending on your own ability to do your job. If u can't tank with axe than use a shield, if u dont' like pure str go pure end is all about the player but u and your friend before u stated is idiotic to tank with an axe which means in your vast experience u still haven't learned it is possible to tank with axe. As far as BK goes i personally couldn't care less, i play fiesta and i'm talking about fiesta, if u wanna bring valid arguments bring arguments related to fiesta not another game. I might be wrong about this but in BK there's a lot of skills that work different than here therefore of course that in there things might be very different.

Oh and no i have no blues, just godly greens ^^, AND yes one of my best friends uses +9 blue shield and 1h ^^ and yes his defence is about 300more than mine, yet as it is right now our tanking ability is about equal since there is no place in Fiesta for the moment where his extra defence will make a real difference. The point is i never said an axe fighter will have more defence than a shield weilder that is also full end ROFL, i only said tanking with axe is also possible but i guess u missed that part ;). I also stated there's nothing stupid in a fighter pulling 15+ mobs at once and tank them with an axe if there is no danger in dying but again u missed that part also XD.

Oh and mind u an axe weilder that is pure str will be a much better aggro holder than a full end using 1h/shield which result in less chances for the party to get killed. NOW NOW i have a feeling u might wonder y would he be an aggro holder, it is because DD/Tank combination.

You keep bringing and trying to rub the fact u played longer WHO CARES dude, as i said u can play for 5 years and still be less experienced than one that played for 1 year (mind you I'm not saying you are but you should cut down on that "oh i played longer so i know more" atitude because sometimes time doesn't always bring wisdom). Also i'm not stating i know more about Fiesta than u do, i've only stated i know more about fighter class (up until current level and by that i mean knowledge on how to use the character not extra things that are in BS lolz), now come tell me "u don't know anything after level 89" (i'll correct u on that, I hardly know much about 80-89 but i'll worry about that when the new things are out ^^) that is irelevant as i'm talking about the knowledge of the character until the current cap. IT IS really pointless having a ton of info on level 89+ when u can't pass level 79+, when the new things will come i'll worry about it later but for know who cares how the things are at 89+. Just knowing all the details about how a level 90 plays will not make u a better level 70 player ;).
If what i said was understood as i'm saying clerics SHOULD NOT attack than i'll try to explain cuz that is definetely what i said.

I meant to say that in a kq every class is good for something, and if they go do crazy stunts and try to play hero very often it is resulting in a failure. This topic was started by Angel who stated that 2 clerics in KQ refused to party with people, heal, rev, and buff. THAT is where i have a problem.

In KQ if there is a limited number of clerics 2-3 than the cleric should be more concentrated on healing and reving, if your party doesn't get hurt try supporting another party with a heal. The end fighter using 1h and shield in KQ is good for tanking and aggroing mobs of the more fragile players, seeing a end 1h/shield fighter trying to play dps is totally stupid lolz XD. As well as seeing a mage going in right next to the boss trying to tank.

Every player has the right to do whatever he wishes and usually i don't blame my cleric if i die which hardly ever happens even if i do have a cleric, BUT if i do see that the cleric is more concentrating on attacking a target while i spam my pots and stones than again there is a problem and u bet i'm gonna bitch at him/her :D.

In KQ it is very important for every player to know what he needs to do (unless the people going in are very strong and able to do even with a bunch of people goofing around) so everything goes smoothly. One person pulling stuns can lead to the death of lots and lots of people.

HA QFT xD

If I see someone in my pt is taking dmg I'll immediately change to heal mode.

If the KQ is limited in clerics (2 or 3) then I also believe that I should have to throw some heals at the main tank. ^^

KQ is meant for people to come together, work as a team, and get something done. If they can't do that... or feel like trying to be a hero when you know you can't... then stop. Get out of the KQ and be a hero against the Legendary tree ^^

And those stupid people who think that their character, even built exactly the same as other people, is somehow better than the other people's... and then they go off and try to solo. pisses me off >.>;

Oh... but I know that in Spider 1 tank leeched the whole time, the other went afk randomly... and we had archers trying to tank all 4 miners. I wasn't trying to be the hero... but I hit T3 VIT/DEF T2 Aim, and then chain cast, AoE heal.

Needless to say that was able to pull aggro on everything to me... the other clerics were giving me heals, and I was able to tank the miners long enough for the DPS to get things going... as long as I was spam healing myself xD

That was about to be the worst epic almost fail Spider KQ (Spider never fails) :3

Although Im new, I cuaght on quick and have ran into the same thing in the mara pirate KQ. Everyone ran and didn't even bother to kill everything, they kept running and none of the clerics bother healing they kept running or fighting when they absolutely had to, I died thrice and was like man gotta be noobs! Im new but I figured out from the first KQ we did which was successful that having a cleric or mage follow the fighters and archers to heal them costantly is a great strategy. To bad they don't get it :(

^ You don't have to bother killing everything o.O. But yeah, other than that, you're right.

Eh, as far as it goes, if the cleric can keep the party alive AND deal damage at the same time then I have no complaints. But it's when the cleric go crazy whacking at the mob and totally forgets about everything else that irritates me. If they intend to do that then I rather solo or add another DD into my party that will deal far more damage than the cleric.

Also, I usually solo in spider KQ BECAUSE there are incompetant people that either a) can't tank at all b) can't heal for his life or c) don't do anything at all. So why should I party them and let them leech through the KQ while I waste my t3 scrolls/pots and stones?

I'm a cleric, and I love it!

But, I am annoyed when there's more than one cleric to one party, leaving another with none. I'm barely level 20, yet I've seen this happen a lot. If there's another cleric in my party, and they are doing a good job of healing, I'll shout asking if any party doesn't have a cleric and needs one. I usually get a reply, and only rarely will I get no response from anyone. I like the teamwork on KQ's and want everyone to continue working together instead of fighting over clerics and occasionally fighters (I've seen it happen.)

It also really annoys me when clerics fight when there's hurt players in the party. I fight when all my party members have 100% HP, no lower, and are not tanking or being mobbed. I don't attack bosses, though. No cleric ever should, unless clanking. Clerics are a SUPPORT CLASS. Really, though, the only I fight at all is because it kind of feels like I'm leeching by not helping fight. :P That's just a personal thing, though. I know I'm not leeching if I'm healing, but it just feels like it. ^_^

~Melodic

Keep that mind-set.


Few enough people in that level-bracket who even think to heal other people in KQs. That's what happens in OBs I guess.

Most Clerics get yelled at all the time.. so they jsut leave you to die if your yelling "HEAL ME!" because they;re just fed up of being heal slaves.. i get it when i play my cleric... and just p***** me off.... Excuse the swearing 8-)