Mind Drain aka. Fear
 

Issue: Mage Mind Drain Skill Bug
Status: Active
Progress: Reported to QA for testing
Description: Attack time for skill says 20 seconds but in game only last for 3-5 seconds

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64489

2 words come to mind....and they aren't good

I know people complain enough already about how Mages are the PvP class, up there with Axers, but a 20 second fear? That just seems a bit overkill 'doncha think. How out of touch with a game do you have to be to think that any class can compete with a 20 death-sentence if it was ever implemented.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64488


GG Outspark

Wow, seriously. Now all mages need is an aoe fear?

Find it funny that a GM went around a PvP area asking if everyones Fear was bugged...I mean gawd, does noone at Outspark actually even test/play the game?

It's been the way it is ever since people could cast it.

I can just imagine the outrage at the Archer's forum...

I know that Robo gives out a 20 second Fear BUT that's because he's a mob. Just like how mobs inflict a 4 minute poison/bleed.

Also if there is anything wrong with Fear it's that you aren't running anywhere. Whatever is in "Fear" just stand there with the effect shooting out... you're still unable to attack but it's basically just normal stun.

So... Fear is supposed to last 20 seconds but only is 3-5? This will further destroy PvP. >.>

I think I missunderstood, though.

Anyone still playing BK want to clarify on Fear in that version?

BoL ftw!

Level 1: 4 seconds (max empower +3 seconds) = total 7 seconds
Level 2: 5 seconds (max empower +3 seconds) = total 8 seconds

Source

There's nothing wrong with the skill.

Probably just another typo >__>

Another semi related question:


Does mock only get agro of 5 enemies?

I think it's a higher number than that, though dunno exact number.

O.M.G.

20 seconds of running away/standing there is...

Why does the Mage class get all the love these days??/?!!

geez... i'm worried that SnakeEye will go and change the effect time of that skill, rather than change the description....

but but.. if the devs looks at class balance and stuff as well, then hopefully they'll realise that they SHOULDN'T have a 20 sec fear for mages..? -fingers crossed-

I still think people are over-reacting a bit. It only effects us in pvp.

But but... over-reacting makes things fun. :3

Well thinking it over a bit this both helps and hurts other classes. If you think of the benefits of a 20 second fear on a boss monster which would make boss hunting simple. If you wanted to go boss hunting with a full party 3-4 mages and a cleric if needed (possible 5 mage party depending on how long it takes to kill) That could mean up to a 1:40 fear on the boss and in turn could mean not even taking a hit if it only takes that long to kill the boss. That party would mean massive damage and not taking hits.

Possibly different lengths depending on if you use it on monster compared to if you use it on players. For players leave it at a 5 second fear while monsters change it to 20 seconds?

I don't think anyone's over-reacting o.O

Just that for the few people who play for PvP, I know more than a few who will actually be right for once. Add to that the sheer *insert derogatory term here*
of making a change like that is mind-numbing. Hurr...class-balance...

Some dude said he was going to quit <.<

even if its not PvP...

isnt it a bit unfair that a mage could "stun" a mob for 20 sec when fighters could only do it for.. i dunno.. 6-7 sec?!

even cleric's invincible doesnt last that long if we empower it....

Bleh, if they're that bothered, let them.

While it does effect mainly PvP, maybe that person really really likes PvP? O.o

Then again, I can start to see from the view-point of a few people that Mages are maybe getting the most love...

I believe Mock holds 10, just like Frost Nova and Inferno inflicts damage upon 10 mobs maximum. Not entirely sure, but to me Inferno and Frost usually kills everything, and often there are more than 10 mobs.

And Fear for 20 seconds is nice. Maybe a little too much, but nice. Think about it from our perspective: How else are we to kill a bloody cleric? It's impossible to kill a cleric (having been a former cleric myself), and if a fighter gets close, you're screwed. Archers are the only ones who have a reasonable balance.

Keep in mind mages have the lowest HP and defense. Far less than what other classes have.

Clerics go down fast enough in current PvP against a chain-fearing mage. :/

Get hit with first fear then Inferno and Frost Nova come down. Stone, then second Fear is cast. You're almost always dead/barely survive.

but at the same time the cleric CANT kill a mage as well due to our poor atk power AND mage is a range atker, which means we have to run up to u guys... not only are we too busy spamming heal to keep ourselves alive... if u do a hit and run there's no way clerics could stop a mage or even land a hit on a mage...

there's ups.. there's downs... that's balance...

if u have 20 sec fear then... mage DEFINITELY wins... hence it's a skill balance issue....

Not really, I've tried that.

As you have stated, that is what I do, plus I add Stifle.

However, to better assist in visualizing the situation:

Fear first. At most 8 seconds.

Frost + Inferno = 700 damage per 3 seconds. However, casting time is 4 seconds.

Stifle. Another second or so. Can't remember exact time.

Spells = 300 per second.

That's only 1k damage after the first round. Most likely, the cleric can stone. Casting again would result in 2.4k damage maximum, and the result? Cleric still alive, as HP stones would have recharged again. After that, mage is screwed.

Keep in mind this is assuming mage and cleric are of equal levels, and only a broad generalization. It's still hard to kill a cleric of the same level.

Judging by the math you posted, I don't see why the Cleric vs. Mage PvP usually ends in a Cleric death most of the time anyway :/

In the PvP areas, no matter the math posted, Cleric still usually dies or comes close to it if a Mage plays skills right. Then again, I think these are the Mages that spec for PvP or may have even bought Charms of Might, don't really know.


Like Hess posted, this is also assuming that the Mage is stock still and waiting to get hit. Not a thing we can do if the Mage runs and Cleric DPS really can't do much of anything.

edit:-every time I get Fear casted on me, there's a bug of sorts. Even after Fear duration has run out, I can't move, cast a spell or anything. All I can do is stone and try to relog or let myself get killed. GG Mages I guess.

Devastate says that it only hits 10 but I believe it hits well over 10 enemies.

Au contraire, the majority of mages actually use the weakest, level 1 spells.

Level 1 spells take the least SP and only do 20 damage or so less than the full power spells.

But she said best, not highest, and if most of us our using our level 1 skills because they are better all-around, would that not technically make thme our best? :)

I'm still thinking of a chained 20-second Fear @.@

40 seconds in which you can do nothing but stone....


srsly.

Depends on your point of view. You can argue that level 1 spells are the best with respect to efficiency, yet the highest spells are the best with respect to damage and effect.

Drugs are bad.

i think u should try sit there and watch a clock and count 20 seconds and REALISE how LONG it actually is!! (and while u count.. think about all the spells you can cast)

i get stunned by orcs for 4 sec and i think that's long already.......

Eh....i think chain cast's effect wears out too....if you do not cast a spell within the time limit it gives...it wears off...and i think it's less than 20sec. Also, take in consideration of fear's cool time which is 1:30sec compare to any stune move of the fighter's it's much longer. But I do believe that 20sec is overkill....make it 10sec max is nice....pvped a capped fighter yesterday...he critted 1.7k on me..and I'm with full end equip with t3 def scroll but i only have 1.9k hp...result = instant death since he crits tons =_="

Max Fear should be is 10 seconds, un-empowered >.>

20 seconds is a bit long, and it does break it a bit too much, I can kill most yellow/orange mobs at 60 in under 10 seconds, with no fear.

It'd break the skill empowers that some people have too. Instead of a 10+x seconds, it'd almost be better to empower CD time to have a minute of cool down, instead of a minute and a half >.>

Just a bit of two-cents. -throws out some pennies-

" It must have been a typo, a typo, a typo...it must have been a typo, we all make mistakes!"

anyway....
I hate it when I get feared by highlevel mages...they pwn me.

xD Just maxed duration on my fear yesterday, a certain 5k hp cleric got killed soon after xDDDD (crits ftw~!)

This is off-topic but: I think the layout on that page is very easy to read. -Eyes the wiki-

*Insert Name Here* It was due to some dungeon spot issue :/ we got into a big fight, soon after I pmed his gm...n his gm disbanded guild n joined me xDDD btw I was tanking with a fighter the other day and got feared then I got stuck and can't move O,O" had to let MD kill me to solve it. Seen a lot of this happening when I'm pvping fighters and after they say I cheated. :/