Rep System: To redo or not to redo.... that is the question
 

Okay, after a lot of dicussion about the current repping system and a renovation of how rep points are given, we are debating on completely wiping the current reps and letting everyone start over from scratch following the new repping system.
So, this is your chance to voice your opinion. Please remain nice and friendly and do not flame anyone for not having the same opinion as you.

Redoing the rep system will allow some of the new members a better chance of not feeling left out, since with the new repping system, it would be impossible for them to ever catch up to the members that have 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 rep bars.

*first leave it alone xD*

But yeah... I don't really think it's something like a race... I mean... it's nice if I get some, but doesn't matter if I don't.

I care that it's left alone because of the people that've been here before...

but really.

Leave it alone.

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Meh, not worth it at this point.

It wouldnt matter if we wiped it, people will still abuse the rep system whether you like it or not.

I say leave it alone. I don't think it is that big of a deal.

Hmmm even though I dont really post here much anymore heres my 2 cents: Rep should be given to active contributers *by this I mean information and help to other members* to this fansite. I remember a while back * a few weeks or months* there was a thread in M.O.S with people jus repping each other in it. That shouldnt happen the old rep system was used and abused by some but others actually worked to achieve high reps. If you are switching to a new rep system then by all means wipe the accumulated rep. IF you ACTIVELY contribute to the purpose of this site then it shouldnt bother you because you will simply get your rep back. Spirit has a good point about the wipe being fair to new members. Hmm just think of this wipe like it is: For Great Justice *sorry had to throw that in*:D

Wipe... I guess.

If you're going to completely re-do the rep system, you might as well start over. That was abuse would go unnoticed and not be as big of a deal.

The new rep system that has already been put into affect, greatly reducing the amount of rep points that each member can give. So, (example), where last week I could +rep someone and it would alter them by 1 or 2 bars, now I cannot even alter their rep by adding any bars unless they are already close to getting another bar.
By wiping everyone and starting over, it clears out all the abuse that happened in the past and any future abuse will not affect the system as greatly as it has done in the past, because repping power has been reduced.

I say leave it alone as well. I'm still not 100% clear on just what the issue is, but gut feeling says it's not a pressing issue

We have raised the question of whether members would want the system to be wiped to get rid of the "gap" between those who already have lots of reputation, and those who doesn't.

Spirit pretty much explained it in her previous post.

Just say, with the old system, we could get someone to 10 bars in 5 days. But with the new system now, it will take someone 10 days to get to 10 bars. Meaning it will take twice as long for people to gain the amount of rep others have now. (Btw, I just made the numbers up on the spot, it is not real).

But, if we restart the system, then everyone will start from 0 again and like Spirit said, it will get rid of the abuse that's been used on the rep system.

It may not be a big issue to certain members, but we want to fix this issue now rather than leaving it till later when there are more members, and probably more "mess" to fix up.

So yeap.

So far the poll is pretty... even... D: More opinions please!

i say leave it.. coz i'm bias LOL

Whether it is wiped or not, it will continue to be abused.

There are a few individuals here who didn't achieve their reputations by rep swapping, but earned it with constructive posts.

I say leave it alone, since the maximum is 11 bars and people will have that soon anyways, not that it makes a difference.

Side note: Wrong section. Technically this belongs in Site Suggestions and Feedback.

is max 11 bars?

IF.. only IF we do a wipe.. can we keep the old comments??? please?

LOL! Was just about to move it.

Maybe, but with the new system in place, it cannot be abused to the point that it makes that big of a difference in everyone's rep.

Weave me awone!!!!!! It was my first mod poll!!!!!! Mehs was at work and and and and I was distracted!!!!!! :p VV referring to the quote below also.

I'm kind of undecided. I think the system should have remained as it was prior to being changed. Rep isn't important, it does nothing, really. So why change it?

But since it was changed, I think there should have been a rep-wipe. It makes it 'unfair' to the people who I guess wanted rep to have a harder time getting it, where as the people who got it through system abuse get to keep it.

Come to think of it, even if u wipe the rep, eventually people will get to 7-11 bars right? and then, the new members will also be unable to catch up quickly (maybe they can catch up, but it would take time).

Where there is rep, there will be abuse. But I have not seen cases of people with high reputations being asses in this forum, so does it matter? honestly i would not want my own reputation to be wiped, but if there is really a need to, i would say rather then reset everyone's reputation, reduce it by a certain percentage?

You really care that much about your rep...?


I have a feeling that people with rep will want to keep it, and people who are new or low will want a reset. I wonder why.

Of course people with high reps will feel hesitant about restarting... but i wouldnt mind a partial reset/rep reduction... u will get it back in the end.

I think this can be compared to outspark removing the exp/rewards gained from the BR quest? They only removed the exp gained from the quest, and didnt do a full rollback (i think?). some people did not like this, but it had to be done to prevent noobs from being high leveled.

You do realize that those who abused it will get it back?

I won't point fingers, but I think we all know which group of people abused the system most. And I probably alienated quite a few people by saying this.

meh... i reckon the ppl with a lot of reps (7 bars and up?) all deserved it anyway... its not like anyone high on the list didnt contribute to the forum and still got heaps of rep bars...

all of us has answered questions, welcomed new comers, contributed to wiki, written guides.... i dont see a "problem" with it...

lol rep, serious business.

here's a better idea: remove it completely from the system. if that had been the case from the start, there would have been no "problems".

^ Agree with Lilian.

But also the thing with Rep for a lot of people higher is that it starts to be given because of popularity or something, like..I have been repped by some random person who wrote "Random rep so I can give more to blaaahs" >_>

Yeah, I was for the idea of total removal of the rep system back when the "abuse" first started getting out of hand but people like the reps. *shrugs*

While I don't really care, I still voted for the wipe just in the interest of fairness. People are going to abuse the new system too, but at least it'll be fair abuse from an even starting point. Tabula Rasa.

Also, it'll be interesting to watch like a slow race of abuse after the wipe. Actually though, I do think the abuse will die down a lot with the new system since it will take forever to gain anything from it and people will lose interest when they aren't actually going up in green bars even after weeks of abuse.

^^ Exactly. While some people will still abuse the system, the new repping system makes it so that the abuse is actually NOT noticable. Maybe after months and months of constant abuse, it could make a difference, but even the nit would be small, and who is going to keep it going for months and months, when they cannot see any changes?

I already mentioned about removing rep completely.

o.o'

/otherrepthread.

Unfortunately it also kind of makes rep as a whole unnoticeable. If people abusing it can't even make any real progress then the legitimate rep will be virtually nonexistent and everyone will basically be stuck on a single bar or two forever.

no, they can move up fairly easy, but those of us that have a lot of posts and a high rep cannot change someone by 2 bars in one rep. It was to the point that I would not rep anyone at all, because I would change them by 2 bars in one go. Now, I feel better about repping because I cannot make such a drastic difference with just one rep.

Yep.

With the old system, when users get heaps of posts and reps and more rep power just by simply staying on the forum, they can change newbie bars by heaps. And if one decides to neg rep a newbie for some reason, there goes their reputation of the forum newbie.

We had decided not to remove the rep system because some people might still like it. We want to fix this up but still keep the rep system to see how it goes. We can always remove the rep system later, but I personally think we haven't reached to the point where we need to yet.

yeah well... i believe that the rep system was "dead" for a long time... until some of us -cough- went through that abusing stage making it noticible that ppl starting to get 4-5 reps bars.... which was when the rest of the forum took notice about this whole rep thing...

then we STOPPED abusing it.. and i reckon half of our rep nuggets are legi! just that.. we ended up with too much rep power... so it seems like it's been abused... but... if its legi then its not abused right...?

*legi... as in... meaningful/purposeful

^Sounds like the snowball effect. You kept giving each other rep and in turn that meant your rep got bigger each time you repped someone until it was too late to turn back.

I'm for a wipe but I'm not fixated on rep... just post count... xD

It'll be fine since the rep system update.

@Blahs: I think people have good judgement when de-repping. Everyone with 1+ neg-reps is either a jerk, or posts idiotic questions. In the case of an unnamed idol of Wacky's, he even asked for a plvling here. A big No-No.

'Cept Eyelash isn't bad. Dunno what he did...

Being new with the whole forum thing in general, only people with high reps have been the ones to leave feedback or help me with my issues. It is nice knowing that these people have already helped someone in the past so I can (at least partially) trust they know what they are talking about.

So coming from a new person, I say leave it the way it is.

Really.

I know that there is one 11-bar user that always floats around with assistance, but the other two are more of Mountain of Spam frequenters that received random rep-boosts from random people. Nothing against them, but I doubt their reputation is truly legitimate. One or two +reps is understandable for a funny remark or a well-made point, or a well-made work of art, but I doubt that getting reputation for saying "lol" can be deemed legitimate.

However, I cannot see inside private guild forums anymore, thus I cannot discern whether my observation is valid or not. Of course, as people say, it's "only rep."

I seem to be more pessimistic lately. Odd.

Now that I've had the oppurtunity to really examine this issue, I want to change my vote to removal of the entire reputation system.

I mean, a few months ago there were like, two people on the forum who had 2 bars, myself being one of them - and that was the highest back then. So the sudden MASSIVE INFLUX of bars is annoying, but then I also see people suddenly start like, "omg rep me, omg rep me, grow my e-penis, rep me!"

And its turning into a lame popularity contest thing. Reminds me of like....I dunno, but nothing good, lmao. Its just really annoying, especially when it doesn't do diddley squat but its still got a handful of people all riled up trying to gain more rep.

So I guess mods/Entropy are deciding now? It probably won't be 100% the community's decision, right?

Off topic: Lol, someone de-repped me because "ur title is offensive >_>". It just reminded me of this whole thing.

Lol @ the rep system.

I haven't had any problems with rep for a long time :3 Seems like its cooled down a bit. I was getting repped and de-repped for no reason before. Now Its only when I am helpful or whatever xD

That's right. We like to get an idea of how the community feels before making any decisions. :)

lmao hyper xD I get derepped randomly a lot, even now xD Like I got repped, then derepped for the thread I had with Lilian in MoS - "Not needed" they said. (cooking phobes) then I got derepped on a post where I was giving somebody advice in photoshop >_> lots of blank or "." comments too xD Oh well!

I honestly think it shoudl just be removed and exchanged with little awards or something, like how asylumcam forums do. @_@

Fixed.

You're solving the problem by adding another. :P Also, I'm pretty confident nobody here knows what that forum is. xD (and they're not missing much.)