Are We Beta or Not?
 

I have seen this kicked back and forth several times so as I was reading on the official forums about the x-trap issue i came across this post:

CSR Hal

I guess as of Today @ 06:14 PM we are still officially Beat.

Just thought you'd like to know! :p

huh? wait...
they're profiting from a cash store, which is only supposed to show up when commercial version is released, but they say we're still beta? o_O

something's not right... something's not right...

You don't have to buy from the CS.

Yea, I figured as much.
I remember when I PM'd Break as per my ban, and he told me that I couldn't play UNTIL the official launch, meaning that yes, this is still beta.
Beta with cash items that is :O

I wonder when they're going to officially launch it? Maybe on Outsparks or Fiestas 1 year anniversary?

X-crap is useless.

No hackers.

an example of a cashshop bug would be my "15 day" halloween house.

even then lol.

having to buy means nothing, nowadays the trend is making games without monthly fee, CS only.

anyways, I still find it odd o_O
in other games I've played, company profit = official launch.

Most CS premium prizes are permanent.

please excuse the violent terms im gonna say... but wtf this is bs right?.. i already laid out couple of bucks on fiesta and their saying this is beta..? of course this is f**ked up.. when beta is over does that mean our character and cs stuff b erased??

Hm, I knew we are still in Beta stages. If we weren't... there'd be definitely something wrong with the amount of bugs.

@LightStep: You didn't have to buy from CS as mentioned above. And it was said officially that there will be NO MORE character wipes after Open Beta. So you keep your stuff and characters onto official release. Of course, if it does for some reason gets wiped and you did not violate ToS... then you can complain.

the game is not in beta anymore. They may have bugs that they want to fix, but that doesn't mean its an beta.

A beta version is a test version, that is roughly finished but still needs some polishing.
A beta is only for testing and presentation purposes.
What we have here is a full fledged public release version.
Of course a release can have bugs, too

IMHO they are just looking for an cheap excuse for being incompetent.

yea y would they say its still a beta when they went over CB twice and still consider it beta? -confused-

Because they still have issues and stuff to release.

not trying to be rough, but what does this have to do with what I stated? - _-"

games release stuff after the official release too, or else the game gets boring and old players just leave.

even though you'll probably say it doesn't have anything to do with this, I'll state this example: Blizzard still releases patches for Warcraft 3. they released one recently and are working on another one. do you know how long wc3 has been around? and it didn't even go through 'open beta' nor anything of that sort afaik <.<;;
also, the only thing you gotta pay is for the CD Box.

more into the RPG world, games like Ragnarok still have content being added years after the official release.

I totally agree with MaxOff on this ~D:

Thumbs up to outspark for believing XTrap is the way to go (sarcasmn of course.)

This nonsense about the game being in a beta-phase is nonsense. You dont market an in-testing product.

At any rate it just goes to show, that outspark is not thinking about removing XTrap. All I can say is they are in for a real surprise when their profits begin drying up.

I laughed when I read the CSR's line about stopping botters and hackers. Its pretty ironic that 2 minutes ago before I read this thread, there were 3 bots running around Vine tomb.

Its pretty funny that ever since the re-addition of XTrap that I now get whispered the junk that the spam bots spam in the public chat. The spam-bots are evolving.

As it stands:

Botters, hackers, spammers - 3...4...5...10...
Outspark's XTrap - 0

100% win ratio for the scum out there!

yea, it's annoying - _-"
before it I could at least talk on whisper without being concerned about blocking every single bot I run into ><;;

what's next time? guild chat? lol xD

as they slooooooooooowly work on xTrap... the bots ADVANCED to spamming into whisper -.-

i wonder wat "official" would mean if their "beta" involves cash shop already...

will Fiesta one day be magically bug/bot/hack free?

maybe they hope someday all botters will get bored and quit playing.
too bad it's only gonna happen after all legit players have quit aswell lol;;

they'll never stop bots unless they set GMs around the game searching for them 24/7.

bots can log without even opening the client, and macros can pretty much counter every measure they take to verify if it's a player or a bot since a machine can only compare patterns and bots are easily programmable to react to those.
blocking multiple connections from the same IP won't work either.

in no game I've played I've seen a really effective anti-bot program, and anti-hacks are easily bypassed since I myself have done it on another game(to change sound voices to korean version lol) and it wasn't even any complicated procedure, just some careful timing with copy/paste when starting the game.

What about player mods?

^Major yuck.

Most of the CLs annoy me as it is. "GLs".... ich ich ich.

www.ijji.com, Their games are considered to be all in "open beta", but they profit from it for a while, and also, most of their games run almost perfectly.

But Xtrap is poor hack protection. It can easily be closed, with some tools. If they really want to stop this, they need to put GameGuard. since most of our computers are fucked up by it, might as well put it on every computer.

Quoted from Wikipedia. Bolding is mine.

Obviouslyl, some of this won't apply to a constantly updating MMORPG... but... you get the gist.

Sorry for the length.

Yeah, I doubt this will be out of beta until a few years/decades (Jk.) are up.

aka cheap excuse.

in the world of programming, as long as you have time to edit and add stuff a software never ends. it's like you could stay there for the rest of your life adding this and that to make it a bit better here and there.
therefore, saying a software is beta just because you still can think of stuff to add is plain stupid.

I remember the Fiesta installer <http://www.outspark.com/fiesta/download_requirements> had the word Beta in it a couple months ago. Sometime during December or January it was changed, and as of now it is Outspark_Fiesta.1.2.75.exe.

Just an observation.

Fiesta is currently awarded the "Open Beta" status, with assurances from Outspark that there will be no more character wipes.

I suppose that's a protective shield against any mistakes they make. Handy when dealing with a picky community.

Picky? People pay for a product with the expectation that it will work properly.

I say the community isn't being picky enough.

it's kidna irrelevant to me whether the community is picky coz they're still going very slow about dealing with wat we see as important issues...

You don't have to pay, for one.

And of course we're picky. We complain about everything, myself included.