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Ksing my Loot O>o
So I was in AEW this morning with a super tank and we was doing some wreakage to the trumpy's. Anyway so this lvl 20 shows up and he just hanging around not doing anything it seems. Then I think wait I just see exp gained... where are the drops. Well this little punk was just hanging around taking our drops. So my tank gets mad and there really just not much we can do about this besides pick up our drops faster. He even starts hitting our mobs... crazy. At some point he does get killed and wow he asks me for a rez... wtf. Not that it matter anyway, stupid relog bug, he comes right back. So anyway it was then I had an idea... forget putting lvl limits on doors. First thing you do is fix that damn relog bug and then with a few lines of code compared to doing the whole lvl limited doors which is kinda not so good for people with low lvl friends and also the complications of recoding the scrolls to prevent their use. Nope instead what if upon death your simply sent to the city appropriate for your lvl. so lvl 1-19 sent to Roumen, lvl 20-60 sent to Elderine, lvl 60-150 sent to Uruga. you can still go to those city's at any lvl and be rezed and so forth, so those that really earn that right to be there can be there, those that die are sent back to where they should be. I put this in Rant too cause I know nothing will ever be done about this and even more frustrating as a programmer to see easy fixes for a problem and not be able to make them, because it is not my program :/ Bad programing makes me want to kill ppl... j/k.
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Oh shiz, that was YOU??! -runs-
Jk, but that does bug me too... |
*stands up and applauds loudly*
I am guilty of using the relog button, but it is not because I am in a level that I am not supposed to be in. But, when we are under attack and the cleric is spam-healing the tank, I can relog, and jump right back into the fight without having to run all the way back from town. But, very nice rant and I totally agree!!!!!!!!!! |
Good idea, but then again, you also have people of all levels who are subject to pulling all kinds of crap and making game-play less enjoyable. The next guy to spam your drops may be the level who would be there anyway.
Since the drops have a slight delay before they are available to another player I would just pay more attention to picking up the drops quicker. And I don't think Outspark or Ons-on-Soft will consider that what he did was against any ToS or anything since they have implemented the 5-sec (or whatever length it is) delay on drops. |
That, or just keep constantly pressing 2 like I do, lol.
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You mean someone my lvl Ksing my Loot? If that ever happened they would find no safe place to hide on the Teva servers. Besides the looting thing not really the point, but as you bring it up...
This is the only MMO I have seen where your Loot can be taken. If you did not kill it should not be yours, no need for a timer on the loot there simply should not be one. If you elect not to pick up your loot it goes away in a reasonable 1 min time. Now I have played a fighter and trying to mock, fight, and pick up your loot should not be necessary. I can swing in myself and pick up the loot but that as it did caused a mess off aggression from the monsters. You should be able to kill off your mob and the loot still safely there to be picked up. I was on me mage and I like being able to wipe out everything in site then get my loot and the other day some punk runs up and takes my little lizardman lic:(. Grrr, I was so mad did not even say anything to the little punk, not like he would have given it back. I should never have to live in fear that someone may take my loot. |
Maybe suggest on the official forums that they change the delay from 5 seconds to 10 or 15 or something, because if drops are not picked up by the time they bubble to other players then by virtue of the way the game is programmed they are available for other players. If I'm not mistaken the drops were available to anyone from the second they dropped early on and at some point it was changed to add that 5 second delay to allow the person killing the mob sufficient time to nab their drops if they wanted them.
I personally need my drops for production mats or to sell for copper so I don't leave any drops on the ground long enough for someone else to nab. And, some people simply do not want to pick the drops up and do not care that someone else might pick them up. I do not loot other peoples drops if they are still there but many times I see people who are killing & moving on, killing & moving on and if they moved on and the drop is what I call "abandoned" then I will pick it up even though I did not kill the mob. If this were not legal then the programming could be changed to never allow drops to be seized by anyone other than the person who took the KS. It's all in how the game is programmed. |
*applaudes*
But the drop thing is silly. It really wouldn't be a problem if you just picked up the drops. And being busy isn't an excuse. Just spam your pick-up hotkey and heal hotkey at the same time. |
Thats actually a good idea. I like it. You should post that in the feedback section of the main forums.
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Beh, sucks when there's a low level like that!
But I kind of agree with hyper, because it actually does take a while for someone to steal loots, cos I tried to follow some bots around to steal their chocolates (they don't pick them up lol) and it seemed to take forever before I can pick them up. I always (well usually) have the habit of spamming my pickup hotkey after a mob dies. |
I would depend on NT to pick up drops, i'm usually too lazy to click the button.
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Oah, I've heard of that idea before @__@ I think it's a nice idea. If you're really in a place where you don't really belong, you probably are along with friends/a party that will keep you safe and rez you. If you're not, it's just better off to be in the map you're supposed to be in o-o Agreed with Blaaaahs, I was following a bot and he didn't pick up any mousses. I had to wait a loooooooong while in order to pick it up. As for the relog bug, I've also exploited it. There's times when I don't feel like running from Elderine back to MT, I've lost already 5% dying, and I don't feel like loosing another 5% trying to get back to where I was. |
Yeah, its like 15-30 seconds before others can get your drops.
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train the noob...simple
and change your allocation to pick up |
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I love the relog bug, and I am in places where my level shouldn't be.
BUT. I am a cleric, and I duo with Lilian supporting her 5x fighter, and we're a kick ass pair! So I can be there, har! Also you must pick up your drops pretty damn slow if an outsider can pick them up, seeing as how they don't usually become available to others to grab up unti like 20-30 seconds later. >_> |
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Seriously. They kind of deserve it if they just wait for their drops to be picked up by others. |
Lol I keep forgetting there's a pickup hotkey option xD
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lmao I was that way at first, but when I realized, I was like *0*
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Well... Imagine you have a tank tanking all the mobs... then 5 metres away are the mage/archer/clerics healing from a safe place... (although mage should be in the crowd with the fighter for AOE but anyway...) only the tank is close enough to pick up the loot soons after they drop...
if tank has a lot of different skills to spam, and if they want to tank properly they actually hv to think! if he's gotta be the one picking up the loots too.. it gets quite hectic... esp when at lvl 6x i should imagine he's tanking 6-7 trumpies at a time... he probably dont hv time to pick things up until it's all killed... and from the time between 1st and last one being killed.. i'm sure that'll be more that 5 sec... i think they should make the cool time longer... 30 sec sounds pretty good to me... 5 sec is seriously too short... oh and Quest Items has a different pick up cool time, i noticed... that's why the chocolate takes longer to pick up... so are gold bugs that doesnt belong to you (i'm sure that's a pretty obvious one too! keke).. but all other normal drops are only 5sec or watever it is... Relog bug... can be annoying... like those lvl 1 or even level 20 trying to steal ur mushroom while u kill off the trumpies... but it was handy when i died at BH about 5 times in 1 hr... i dont want to walk all the way back from Eldy~ LOL so i cant complain... |
But the pick up cooldown time must be longer than 5 seconds. 5 seconds is short and when I wait to loot it seemed to take much longer than that.
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The pick-up key was assigned by default, I think when you start the game.
It should be in your actions tab, just click and drag into a slot. |
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And, note to all those who have dies while partied with me - if I figure this out then maybe I can hotkey some heal and stuff! Just maybe, no promises. KK - now I have to go test it out. Thx! Kk - gotta stay on topic too so, ummm, yeah, maybe the pick-up delay should be just a wee bit longer. |
Greed usually kicks in when it comes to loot even if its set to go to different people. It takes more than five seconds for them to become a "free for all" item. With five people in a party it takes a lot of ignorance to forget that an item is there and just keep fighting and have someone steal your loot. Even if no one in your party is greedy, which, I might add, is impossible in every way imaginable, someone is still bound to pick it up before its timer expires and is then able to be picked up by anyone. Also I figured I might just go ahead and add that no one can "Ks" your loot as "KS" or any variant thereof stands for "Kill Stealing" and if your loot can be "Kill Stolen" then... well... thats just insane and an explanation on how that happened is definitely needed. I feel that your problem was caused by yourself and ranting about it was quite unnecessary. Although... some might say that the rudeness within this post was also unnecessary. But mind you, I didn't try to be rude. I'm just being as blunt about this as I can. Oh and Ladi-Loki, that post was meant for the person who made this thread. |
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And who is that person? Duh we all know what KS means... it is a joke like when that person made their characters name NO_KS_MY_WOOD. And if that was not obvious really makes me wonder. Also people are not ignorant if the cannot pick up their loot in 5 sec, they are just damn busy killing the mob... I would think for most people that comes first and their loot should be safely waiting for them. Next time read the post and understand the situation, before posting something that is irrelevant. |
Irrelevant? Nevermind. If I say it'll just end up getting in trouble. Again, with roughly five members in a party someone is BOUND to pick up the items. I've AoE'd plenty of time (even though thats the most idiotic thing to call it) and not once have we ever let anyone pick up our stuff. It doesn't matter if we're surrounded or not, someone always picked it up as they cast spells or did whatever. So personally, i'm quite glad your loot was stolen because in all honesty, you deserved it. Edit: That "joke" is incredibly lame and no, it was not obvious. |
Not EVERY party has everyone that wants to pick up the loots... especially when 4 of the 5 people are not within picking loot up range for Amanda.. And the only one that's within range is a fighter who's busy holding aggro...
the best time for the fighter to pick up the loots is after he's killed off all the mobs and by then half the loots have already expired and others can pick up... if the loot takes 30 sec to cool, then this problem wouldnt hv happened... if noobs wants other ppl loots they should need to wait longer... |
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I never said that EVERYONE is going to go chasing after the loot. But there will always be one person who will. If they don't then as I said before, they deserve it. Takes less than two seconds to grab an item with a second being shaved off if they have it as a hotkey. |
The point is 4 of the 5 ppl are not within range to pick up loots... even if they want to they cant (or really hv to go out of their way to pick them up)...
I dont see how they deserved to be looted just coz they havent had time to pick up their loots... they kill the mob, its theirs... when someone is 5 metres away it takes more than just two seconds to run up to the loots and not concentrate on killing, just to pick up loots so some noobs wouldnt come steal it... its not whether it takes 2 sec to pick up a loot.. or if there's ppl in the party that'll constantly go and pick things up... the game should be designed to ensure that only the ppl who owns the loot have sufficient time to pick them up, and 5 sec is definitely not long enough.... |
Again, its longer than five seconds. It takes less than a second to pick it up no matter what you're doing. Its called multitasking and a lot of people do it. You can still fight, heal, buff, cast a spell, or whatever and pick up an item at the same time. While it may be their loot they need to understand that there are assholes who will grab their stuff in a heartbeat simply because they'd rather steal everything than earn it themselves. |
@ WizardsRequiem You think a fighter is going to care when he has more than ten mobs on his back, and 4 out of 5 members in the back to keep from getting aggro? If I was a fighter like that, I would concentrate on getting the job done and then picking up the drops. That would mean spamming my aggro skills. No point in getting all the drops when the cleric gets aggro and dies =3= Though, however, I think 30 seconds is too long and 5 seconds is too short. 15 seconds should be about enough in my opinion. |
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There are five people to a party. ONE of them is going to pick up the items no matter what. There might even be two people who go after the items. Its how it works. There should always be a designated "loot grabber" in every party. Otherwise you have no one but yourselves to blame if some random low leveled newbie comes and steals your stuff. |
I agree, 5 seconds IS too short.
I wouldn't be opposed to 30 seconds though since the items bubble to the person who killed the mob immediately and we are only talking about the time delay before it becomes available to any other players. If someone prefers to pick-up drops from mobs other people killed then they should put at least 30 seconds per mob into the effort. |
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When I'm partying, mostly with my guildies, sometimes I don't bother to pick up the loot if someone else is behind me, and I might double back if I notice no one's picking it up. Especially when it's on free alloc, I don't bother to pick up everything. Obviously, if you don't bother to get your own loot, it's your fault if it disappears or someone else takes it, but not everyone has the time to get it in a designated amount of time. And that's probably the problem here. |
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Lmao that was funny. I remember people use to do that in Ragnorak. Merchant class had a skill "Greed" that picks up all items around them. They would go to high area where high lvs were crazy AOEing, go in the middle of the mobs, so u couldnt screen there name ( Since it was 2Dish) and tele lol. Would get my brother very mad XD Anyways, i laughed at how he was picking up stuff...and hitting monsters, then dies and has the nerve to ask for rez. And for the town idea, nothing needs to be changed...just the relog fix. If the nubs cant make it past the templars in CP, or King colls thru Uruga...there is NP. Uruga scrolls are hefty, so they can spend 8s to beg for plvling in Uruga at the steps, but how far are they really getting? Outspark has a lot of work...they still have a Guild bug, which has been out forever...making people not able to play. God this game is going to hell lol
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Someone is always bound to pick up the items. Doesn't matter who they are. Its common knowledge that items have value to them and people are in constant need of money (minus the highbies who already have everything) therefore they will take what they can when they can. To be so foolish as to leave your loot on the ground without grabbing it is just plain... err... foolish. I'm kind of tired of repeating myself, this being roughly the fifth or sixth time i've done it so I don't think i'll post in this thread any more. But my point is, if you don't grab it in the alloted time then don't complain because you let it become free game. |
yea i think thats good send them to were they should be
hahaha but like ksing and taking items is dumb make it so they cant take items or take ur exp only u or ur pt can thats wut i think :D |
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I agree, if you want your loot pick it up. However, there are people that cannot pick it up in the time that it takes for the item to start bubbling. It has to start bubbling at some time, obviously, because it would just be litter for others if you don't pick it up. However, the point here is that those few seconds for it to start bubbling isn't enough for some people to start picking up items. I personally have no issue with the amount of time needed for the item to start bubbling, but I can imagine when things go hectic you don't have time to pick up the things before some loot KSer comes along. |
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