Does outspark never learn?
 

In todays patch they've re-added XTrap.

Its causing havoc amongst a population of players.

Furthermore, the botters are still in-game.

It seems like outspark simply doesn't listen to the community, nor does it seem to take the appropriate measures to address certain problems. I've been reading on their technical support forum that it is causing Blue Screens, commonly known as BSOD's. This problem wasn't seen the last time XTrap was implemented.

At any rate - I'm not saying measures shouldn't be taken to address botters and spammers, but a less-invasive, more compatible Anticheat solution is needed.

Botters, and hackers will always be able to bypass anticheat. Its only a matter of time. The only thing anticheat does is hurt one portion of the community.

agreed

Why won't they take it off??? People don't need XTrap at all! It isn't even a good program!!

... i want to play... curse you X-TRAP!!!

Hmmm.... I do not like the little icon down at the bottom of my taskbar on my computer. Is there a way to take it off without being in violation of the ToS?

Yes dont let the game patch. U can still play without X-Trap. Guess thats what the botters do.

I also find it very funny that they have brought X-trap back... like they did not learn from their last mistake :eek:. Does not seem to be causing my computer as much harm this time around, but I know at least some ppl are experiencing problems. This won't stop bots even in the slightest however, so what does it actually do? Steels processor time and memory space from you computer.

X-crap is back.

Prolly cuz of the hacks lately. Hoping maybe X-trap could help.

So that's what the patch was about. I play BK and it has XTrap but it causes me no problem at all and I don't think it causes any problem with Fiesta either. That being said, if XTrap isn't getting rid of botters and only actual players I see no reason for it be coming back.

In short for the answer to the thread...


No.

But this game is 99% server sided. That = not changeable or hackable. And Ghostly was one of the only people who could do anything to change it, but he knew some way past it (not suprising, since he had edited files before). He never even hacked to cheat, he edited a skill file. I'm just saying that X-crap is completely pointless.


Bots are the only thing this could change, but that hasn't worked well, has it?

I meant with my Fiesta, I know it causes problems with other PCs. I wonder if it has something to do with the operating systems people use?

@Hyper: Probably best not to write down an actual name. We all know who it is but still. ;P

Just throwing in possibilities. I had no problem with it using XP and currently Vista. It's possible that some people's computers have some sort of "bot" from visiting certain sites (not necessarily bad ones). Perhaps doing a spy-ware check and/or anti-virus scan? I use CCleaner and it helps to deleted unwanted cookies as well as registry keys that is no longer used.

I just visited the official forums to see what it's like... just like last time when they implemented XTrap there's several hate threads about it. :P They really don't learn now do they?

I don't get why they don't just get gameguard. I mean it'd be a bit more expensive but it'd be worth it. Bots running amuck, bots using hacks so they don't respawn and an stay in fields advertising, etc etc etc. It makes their service look very unprofessional and they would have so much more customers if they improved their professionalism.

man... they need to find an alternate solution instead of retrying something old and decrepit like xtrap >.>

I now have Fiesta running on the second computer. Below is the e-mail I just sent to Outspark on how I resolved the problem.

For those under someone elses rule (i.e. you are still young and momma still has say so) the issue may very well be Internet monitoring software, and there may be nothing that's gonna fix it for you unless momma decides she doesn't need to monitor you anymore.

It appears that they believe the community has forgotten about it.

X-trap interrupts my gameplay sometimes, but have faith in the GMs, they're trying to do their best. Imagine having to go through 1000 PMs when you login AND still have to think of ways to keep the bots at bay.

since x-trap was reimplemented I sometimes have sudden video lags when I change maps D:

just like: GotD - all okay > go to MT - I can barely see what's going around > enter ELD - everything just fine again. o-o

I never had this kinda problem, and I'm sure my PC can do more than just handle the video config lol''

I didn't think it did anything to me really but now that you mention this, I do tend to get random spikes of lag at random since the patch. <_>

Yeah, and thats only part of their job. We aren't getting much done by sitting back and complaining. We just have to be patient and hope they find a solution soon. Perhaps if anyone here has any knowledge on any better software, they could suggest it to a GM via PM?

There is no better software.

Punkbuster is less invasive, works better, has more compatability with other systems, but at the end of the day it will still lag you when it performs its scans.

Valve Anti Cheat is possibly the best solution, but its not meant for MMO's.

Gameguard is too invasive. Its kernel hooks will make you cringe. If it cannot secure a hold on the kernel it will shut down your computer.

XTrap is just a piece of crap.

THe real solution, yosei, is to have none at all.

Had any of the people at outspark attended the 2007 game-developer's conference, EPIC games gave a lecture about dealing with cheats, hackers, botters, or anything alike.

The solution is to get rid of them manually. Threatened with lawsuites individuals will most likely not continue. Using software based solutions are only temporary, and cause tremendous collateral damage to a population and performance.

Prosecution can occur in local jurisdictions.

In all the games I've played that have used gameguard though, I've never had any problems because of it. `-`

Yea X-Trap is a big problem. Punkbuster wont really solve the problems you get with MMos like Fiesta and Holic. I'd rather have to deal with X-Trap then people being able to lvl in seconds by packet editing* which is really very simple stuff Which was done to Fiesta in Cb1 if I remember correctly*. The same thing was done with Holic TILL X-Trap was added. Anti-Hack will never stop botters because most of these pleasebuygoldheresowecankeylogyou sites are from foriegn versions of this game and already know how to bypass everything. But script kiddies speed hacking and stuff it will stop.

You also have to understand Outspark gets the patches and stuff from the Korean Devs they have very little choice in what actually makes it into Fiesta. They maybe able to make minor changes but big changes like no antihack are a no-no. You may buy a contract from a company but its in the end its still there game and if you dont abide by their rules they will yank it. Every version of Fiesta uses XTrap as far I know. B.K , KRFiesta and GnGFiesta *which if it doesnt will be getting it soon*. Whereas you have a point Angellic about Epic unfortunately most Asian companies dont really think like that because they dont really deal with the masses of cheaters.

Thats what I keep trying to explain to people. Down to it.. its not Outspark thats doing it. All they can do is say "Um... the western players don't really like this program and a lot of them can't sign on.. we need something different"
Compared to BK, Outspark listens to its players more. With BK, if you're banned, thats it, end of discussion. They added X-trap and its apparently there to stay. I'm sure it effects its players just the same.

So yeah, try to get some perspective before complaining.

XTrap cant prevent package editing. In fact i have a tool that logs packets, so i can log the chat(i really hate to forget what people told me, so i log it). And i didnt had to change anything after XTrap was running.

Also a script kiddy wont be able to log the packets. Because the client site obfuscated.

XTrap is also useless against tools like the CheatEngine.

In fact the only think it will help against are the public bots, who are using AutoEdit etc...

But hey at least they are trying.

Omg, outspark can learn? I never knew!
See, they added Xtrap and made problems for players ;/

X-crap creates more problems for players than using no protective software at all.

See what I mean, fix problems before adding new D:! Listen to me Outspark D:

<.< Do you not remember the recent DC hacks?
Perhaps they were trying to fix those. Maybe they don't have anything right away to hold them off, but they did have X-trap available, so... perhaps they implemented that until they can find a better solution. No offense to those who cant get on. But the DC hacks is something that effects everyone. The X-trap thing effects some.
I'm sure they KNOW that people can't get on, and I doubt they want to keep you guys off, but its just something they have to do for the time being. I'm sure it will be removed eventually.

If that's the case, then the least they could do is tell us what's going on, and not have us to sit and guess.

Why are they even using X-trap. X-trap is incredibly easy to bypass, and it seems its just giving more problems to players.

Again, its probably all they have.

I'm not sticking up for them, I'm giving perspective. I've heard it from SKiNG himself. Tequila doesn't even like Outspark and he explained it clearly how it works. Which is what SKiNG told me.

Outspark didn't add the program, OnsOnSoft did. Two totally different companies. Its like buying a toy you have to assemble. Outspark assembles whatever OnsOnSoft gives them. If the company gives the person the wrong directions, can you blame the buyer?