"Best Game Ever"
 

I was going to post this in MoS, but this forum seems to fit the bill nicely.

I've seen a lot of people post that they think Fiesta is the best game ever. With its myriad of issues, I can only wonder... what other games have you played? What are you comparing Fiesta Online to that makes it the 'best game ever'? Is it the only MMO you've ever played, perhaps?

Below, I've listed some of my complaints about Fiesta Online. Reply if you'd like.



Character Variety: There are a whopping 4 classes. And 5 stats. That makes for 2-3 builds per class, maximum. And each character has the same skills, so there is no variety at all. Take four level 30 mages, and compare their stats/builds. Odds are, they'll be almost exactly the same except for their equips.

Cash Shop: Perfect enhancement? More EXP than other players? It's unbalancing. And it's ridiculously expensive. A lot of you people are paying upwards of $30 a month to play this game, and most P2P games are less expensive than that.

Bugs: This game has so many, and we never see any resolutions.

Customer Support: Where is it?

Improving the Game: Outspark doesn't seem to. You 6x players are still grinding in AEW, right? But they do add new Cash Shop items at regular intervals...

Gameplay Variety: I'm coming back to variety. When you log on, odds are you're going to grind or KQ. Or maybe harvest for production skills. But you're probably going to grind or KQ. What else is there to do?

Bots: Lol. I've never seen so many bots. Well, I've seen higher numbers of bots on more popular games, but the bot:player ratio on this one is unreal. And there's no end in sight.



In sum, if you believe Fiesta Online is the best game ever made, that's entirely your opinion. However, I would challenge you to look around before you make that claim. It's not like Outspark's GMs lurk here.

No. Fiesta is definitely not the best game ever. And at this rate, it will never even be considered the best game ever.

IMO, the best game ever is Crysis. Most realistic graphics I have ever seen in my entire gaming life.

I agree that Crysis is a graphical masterpiece, and based solely on the level of interactivity it was a great play for a while.

But I didn't like the multiplayer system, so I can't say it's the best game ever.

Meh, never tried the multiplayer matches.

Counter attack? kekeke ok wat other games i have played that is WROST than Fiesta..

Runescape: Poor graphics... end of story XD

ROSE Online (International version): This game has HEAPS of hackers and people managed to duplicate in game items which drove the economy worst than wat happened to Flyff, i was an "open beta" thing but nothing was being monitored... until eventually they closed the entire server with the reason "too many ppl hacking"...

Flyff: i didnt like the tradeable CS item thing coz it drove the economy mad... by the time i saved up enough for 1 Spro, i need double the amount! (massive inflation). This game hardly hv any quest, new armour set once every 15 levels, u need to level skills =/ (i think they changed it after a few version but that's the version i know)

I've never played any pay-2-play games so i've never seen any GREAT services... so far i think everyone game i played had some sort of bug after each patch, i dont think many companies could avoid that... it's the way programming works...

i can see that outspark is trying their best to keep thing in order.. they're not doing a great job... but at least i can feel that they tried to care... they may not be the BEST game, but i've seen worst...

Yes, the graphics are worse. But there is a lot more to do, and you can better customize your build/character to fit what you want. And their P2P system works wonders; they have separate servers for F2P and P2P players, so there is never any upset in balance. Jagex always updates on time, too...

I never played ROSE and I could never really get into FlyFF, so I won't argue that they're better.

But how fast do they fix it?

I'm not going to argue that there aren't worse games out there. Of course there are.

But there are also better games.



Note that I am not trying to offend anyone here. All opinions (especially those in opposition to mine) are welcome!

actually i dont think they ahd P2P when i was playin RS.. or i never realised there was one... kekeke all i remember is being scammed with their trade system (i think they improved that now) and i quit ever since XD


yeah true.. i dont remember.. probably faster than Outspark HAHA since outspark are like "we gotta wait for another patch from korea" while other games had their own developers i think

Ya! totally understand.. it's all a healthy discussion XD

Yes, Yes, YES!

All true. It's pretty disappointing.


Why can't they just ask OnOnSoft if they can just copy everything over? v.v

I think it isn't the greatest game, especially for hardcore gamers. But, I am not a hardcore gamer, I think its fine for me.

I usually don't like grinding, but that shouldn't even be needed to level!

We are so deprived when compared to kFiesta of BK.


I don't call myself "hardcore," but I have expectations. First, you don't "forget" to give an item after promising to do so. Second, schedule is a word that Outspark hasn't understood since CB2 ended, and it's the main reason why I'm angered.

By the time there is a game that I would consider the best game ever, I would be dead. o-o

Fiesta, content-wise and stuff, doesn't rank any higher than any of the mmos I've liked in the past. It ranks a bit higher than games that I thought were cool but didn't keep me interested enough to go past level 10. It ranks much higher than the games I hated... But yeah, I don't consider it the best game ever, and I honestly don't consider it a great game. For me, it's good or good enough. It gets extra points for the fun people I've met though, haha.

Best game ever is a big overstatement in my opinion, but I suppose that's a subjective thing. I think if it was about a year or so further in development and I came in and played it for the first time, I'd love it.

While i find that 4 classes is a bit... limited, there are more than 2-3 builds per class... but realistically does that matter? does anyone have any way to spy on opponent guilds and analyse all their stats/builds before planning their attacks? 2 players with different builds still look almost the same.

I play another non-outspark version of fiesta that actually has customer support and no botters or cash shop, so i cant comment on that.

What i like about fiesta is that the community is so much better than some other games i have played before. (with exceptions of course)

What i dont really like is that some other version of fiesta by another country has skills we dont have...

Fiesta is noob compare to other games, US companies modified too much and doesnt care about the game as much

Fiesta is nice for a distraction. But for how much money Outspark is getting, hosting only 3 servers, the lack of content is disgusting.

What confuses me is why can't they just hire some frigging developers of their own so they can fix some of this stuff? True, they might not be able to fix all but they should be able to get some stuff at least.

Here is my two cents.
I think it all depends on who is playing, what they are looking for, and what they expect. No, it may not be the best game ever for some. But, for others who are looking for an escape from their everyday woes, it is pretty fun.
If you are a hardcore gamer or even played a lot of MMOs, then maybe the game disappoints you. But, for others, it is about the community, the friends, the bonds that you build, not just the graphics, the skills, the bugs.
So, maybe the question should not be what is it that makes it the best game ever, but more of what do you get out of it. T
he game is fine for me, even with all the bugs and everything else. But, I am also not a hradcore gamer, I only have spare time to be involved in one game and I have chosen Fiesta. I dont let the bad thnigs in the game bother me, therefore they dont. I do not dwell on the bugs, the glitches, the grinding. Since, I don't, it is not on my mind constantly and I dont even notice, and it doesn't bother me. I put money in my cash account and happily play. I will continue to do this until I move on. It is my choice to stay and play, so why complain. If I get to the point that all the problems bother me that bad, I will simply quit playing, end of story.

Kk, I'm done now.

I agree with all of the grievances against Fiesta. Luckily, at least to me, the amount of bots seemed to have gone down a bit. And at least it's not Maple Story, where every map seemed to have a leveling bot vacuum hacking all the monsters ;_;

Like Spirit said, this game is obviously not designed for hardcore gamers. And I myself am not a hardcore gamer. I love this game, despite its flaws. Nothing is perfect, and it is only BETA. Outspark doesn't have complete control over the game, they didn't make it. I've asked SKiNG about this stuff and how it works behind the scenes, he couldn't give me a detailed answer for obvious reasons, but I did get the jist of it.

If you're such a hardcore gamer, and you're so annoyed by this game, I don't get why you came back o.O

I'm thinking Outspark can't hire dev's to fix the bugs because the Korean company "owns" the program. If Outspark hires devs they would have to "develop" an game specific to Outspark. Lotta legals around ownership of that programming.

Yeah, the highlighted stuff.


KK - This one was rather long so follow my color-match for responses to specifics on this next one plz.

You might wanna talk to Spirit about your build then coz she tanks like a machine on her mage. She kills fast and pulls aggro from many many tanks. I don't know that they need to add more damage for mages or she will be a one-woman show.

Fact is, Outspark launched as a business and the investors threw money in to get money out. That's how business investments work. The Outspark founders may have loved to put a feature rich full blown f2p game out but that was not a possibility because even for a f2p game there is overhead. If the Outspark founders had unlimited financial resources they may have done just that. Hell, I'd like to make available a feature rich full blown f2p game, but I have no funds so I would have to find investors who want a reasonable if not decent ROI. Well, hell, there went my dream of launching a feature rich full blown f2p game.

Yep, and I see them farmed by live players just like you and me. All I can say is go farm them, they are out there for you to farm too.

I don't know how it works, but I think the best way to fix this issue is to block IP addresses, I just don't know how far down in an IP address blocking can be managed. I suspect the bots are all from a common IP at a higher level of the sub-net mask, but exactly how far up that sub-net mask you can block without affecting innocent players I'm not sure. And Outspark may have some IT folks working on this. Being a newly formed company it may take a little longer for that to be worked out.

Point in fact is that the very things you are looking at as negatives are what keeps you from enjoying Fiesta as "a fun little game to sit down and relax to". I play and enjoy in spite of the issued that are yet to (and I do expect they will) be resolved. Stop focusing on those issues and concentrate on making friends and just enjoying the camaraderie of those friends and you will enjoy the game more.

I disagree. Clerics can't hold aggro. Yeah they can heal themselves but... that's all they can do. If you look at a Fighter, they can be a DD, a tank, and they can even heal themselves with Vampiric Strike. And there are still some people who want to power up Fighters. @.@

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Archers? They're unbalanced due to the fact that they deal just as much damage if not more damage than Mages. What the hell is the point of having these two classes if they're damn near identical? A few different skills/spells makes no difference. Archers should not be able to cause even half as much damage as Mages. Mages are the "nukers" in MMORPGs, not Archers. And is it just me? Or did they make Mages weaker? Either that or the enemies have gotten stronger. I came back only to find out that I could barely fight anything by myself without dying or coming very close even as I constantly used potions and stones. I doubt they've fixed the cool down times either. If they ever do get around to that they also need to amp up the damage for Mages. I'm sick of shooting spell after spell just to kill an enemy five minutes later.

This one gets a major no from me too. Archers are having enough time finding parties and just ask Yosei what lvl 60+ mages can do. I don't even bother trying to find parties half the time anymore because no one wants to party archers.

And my mage alts have not had any problems killing monsters. They are fairly low level but I can kill yellows before they get to me if I'm kiting.[/QUOTE]

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Summary: This game has a lot of issues and Outspark isn't even making an effort to fix them. This game is still in Open Beta yet its already doing horrible. How people can still play it is beyond me but I do know that if no one says something this game will continue down this very road and eventually end up with no players at all. Fiesta is fun to play but lately its becoming more of a chore to play it than just a fun little game to sit down and relax to. I want to play this game for a long time but how is anyone supposed to when these problems affect the game in such a negative way?

I don't know why you would play Fiesta if it was a chore. I would never play Fiesta if I thought of it as a chore (which is probably why you never see me mindlessly grinding). If you want to relax, can I suggest Orisinal Morning Sunshine?

Yeah. Gotta agree on the above two posts about archers and mages. Since you just came back, you probably haven't noticed the new stuff they've added after raising level cap. Mages get nova frost while archers get nothing.. not much anyway. Mages are wanted for AoE parties at level 60+ (I think) because that's one of the most efficient ways to gain exp at such a high level. While I heard that archers are not so loved in parties. =[

Not saying archers suck, because I don't think they are, but if any class needs some "amping" up, it'd archers, I reckon. It's like how different classes excel at different levels.

And also, like Loki said, I've partied with Spirits heaps of times and gawd she does so much damage that she lures aggro's like there's no tomorrow! Even when our tank keeps using kick and mock, she still manages to take aggro. I've noticed this a lot in Honeying KQ. So yep - mages can do a lot of damage with what they have already! XD






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I was making my post while you made yours so I didn't see the post above.

That is the reason. I think that you (not you specifically, just you as in everyone in general) will need to play all of the classes thoroughly to really see if there's an imbalance or not. It is always different when you are looking at something from an outside view, and when you're experiencing it.

By the way, may I ask you to tone down your post please, Wizard? I don't think any of us are having any hard feelings against you or anything, if that's the impression you're getting. We are all just simply expressing our opinions here. =]

Oops, I thought I included that in my previous post.

"Don't give me that crap.." <-- just gave a negative effect. D:

I think she means lose a bit of that arrogant prickishness of yours.

I love Loki's color coded responses, lol. Everyone should do that.

Yes, I do too.

But getting back on topic, I guess every single game becomes a grinding game eventually. There has to be a level cap in every game, and it's always usually the levels before the level cap that becomes a major grinding chore. I also see grinding has a chore every now and then, which is probably why I hardly train properly. Dx

Yeah okay, I admit I was a bit tight on that.

Anyway, let's move on with the topic. - refers to my previous post -

Okay, was trying to stay out of this once it reached a certain point. However, one things needs to be mentioned. This is a rant section, yes. Everyone can post their opinions. It does not matter if they do not all agree. Not everyone agrees with what I said. However, I respect that enough to not feel like it is a personal attack on me. If you cannot take someone responding in a very reasonable manner, which they did. Then this is NOT the place for you. Not everyone is going to agree. Read what other's post in response, smile, and move on. It is not a direct attack at you. It is simply someone else having a different opinion.

If the game is that dissatisfying to you, don't play. Simple as that. Yes, come in here and rant about it, but do not get on a high horse when someone comes back and has positive things to say, that are not in agreeance with you.
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I wasn't stating that archers didn't need improving. I was saying if they don't get more damage, then maybe different skills to make up for it. Archer-like classes usually get a wide range of different skills, like summoning pets, or charming monsters and using them to fight, archers in BK get to trap.
I don't think we need 2 classes that just do pure damage, they'd lose their individuality.

In my personal view.

(besides DoT) Mages Inferno / Nova Frost > anything an archer can do.

Not too mention that NF is DoT also.

Wizards, this is a public forum, where threads are open to everyone's opinions and thoughts. Everyone has the right to post their thoughts, just like their right to post yours. People haven't criticized your opinions. They merely disagreed and explained why. It is just like how you disagree to their opinions, and you explained your reasons. Simple as that. No hard feelings.

None of us in this thread had ever thought "OH YOU SUCKS COS I DISAGREE TO YOU". We just had a different opinion to throw into this discussion, plain and simple. There was nothing more to it.

If you haven't read the sticky in this section, we have stated that we are going to watch this new section very closely - and I have stated in my post that some of you will begin to think we are getting a bit tight when we start moderating the threads. We are being more strict on here because all threads can easily become a flame bait, and we want to do everything and anything to stop that. I hope you will understand.

Anyway, let's drop this and move on to the topic. I don't wanna close this unless I have to.

So, move on!

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@Val: Yeah, I agree. O_O I've seen AoE parties and damn they killed monsters fast... never been in an AoE party before but I think it beats killing monsters one by one any day! LOL!

Its really not all that great being a mage with aoe.. I wish mages were more balanced.

Like in Spider KQ. I ALWAYS get a group where it seems like every fighter is there to just be a DD, no one wants to tank. Obviously, the most efficient way to kill in that KQ is aoe. Everyone starts demanding aoe, so... the mages aoe, no one mocks, mages aggro, mages die, thus the whole KQ goes into chaos.
The last time I grinded.. it was aoe, the tank didn't want to use mock because he assumed I would take aggro, so he didn't even bother.