Valentines Update...
 

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Is it just me or do you actually need to buy cash shop items to go anywhere in this game.

The experience increase cards are on a length duration. 30, or 7 days of increased experience rates. It seems like the cash shop users will plow ahead leaving those who do not purchase cash shop items frequently, behind.

Also the HP/SP increase and hunters war rant for a period of 7 or 30 days seems a little unfair. Its almost like buying permanent upgrades to your character...

That's just it... other people that don't /can't buy CS items want to be high up there with their CS friends... too bad it's not going to happen.

The 30 day items like xp increase, and drop rate up, and harvesting up do seem like a perm upgrade... because all people have to do is buy like 12 of each in one fell swoop... and then not have to worry about it for another year.

Not liking the Fiesta atm.

Yes, but I highly doubt they'll price them cheaply. Probably $US20 a month.

Regardless, you know people will buy it.

Might as well make it a p2p game.

I pointed out this idea a long time ago..

Its just becoming more obvious with each update..

i dont see anything wrong with the cash shop items...

u can still happily play the game without them... (well.. minus all the bugs and wat-not they've got but that's another story)

they've got PvP ground and GM events and new maps and fixed quest blah blah blah.... that everyone could still benefit without the CS items...

if you compare the stats of a CS player and one that doesnt have CS items.. there'll be difference... but it doesnt affect ur party status or anything... (like u can still party together and its not like the non-CS user cant do anything)

but hey life's never fair... it's not like those ppl got it for free anyway... so i dont really see any problems...

I see you've been no victim to the ability discrimination now.

Mages see this frequently, the ones who have inferno are accepted, and the ones without become second choice. The ones without even Frost Nova are pooled together as "rejects."

Its a harsh look at it, but thats how mages are treated in the game at this very moment.

Now lets take a look at everyone. If someone knows you have full [+9] body armour they are more likely to party you over someone the same class, same build, same skill empowerments, and same ability overall.

Taking a look even further, you will eventually see those who wont take a fighter who has no extenders on. The same can be applied to all the other classes as well.

Partying with people you know wont change with the cash shop. But the sad part is when you begin inviting outsiders in, or others begin inviting you out of the blue - you get some interesting problems.

You see the difference between a very short time-limited consumable and a long-term consumable is that a short term one is understood by most people as un-neccessary due to the fact that it has such a short life-span.

But with this month-long duration, the understanding about the cash shop buffs change. Instead of hearing "Did you use an extender?", you will hear "Don't you have an extender?." Simple words change the tone or the implied message.

0.o

OK then....

I guess i dont party with outsiders... so i dont know those dilemmas... most of my guildies doesnt use cash shop items (in fact.. only 3 or 4 of us does)... the tankers can still tank, the archers can still do dmg, mage can still AOE, clerics can still heal well without deaths...

we dont NEED cash shop to enjoy the game... we're still great as a party and have fun...

an just coz those items are available in CS, doesnt mean everyone will buy it! as u can see.. not EVERYONE has a +9 just coz it's possible.. most people dont want it or cant hv it... just because i charge up sparkcash doesnt mean i will HAVE or WANT the extenders...

how many ppl do u know have full +9 armours?? i only know 1 possible person on the entire Teva... (well maybe a few more much higher lvl ppl but it still doesnt mean a majority of the ppl have full +9 set)




but in the end.. i guess it's who u play with and wat u look for in a game... i'm happy to party with non-cash players as long as they're nice... i guess different players hv different priorities...

I second what Hess says. It depends on the party you are with. We are usually only partied with guild members and it doesn't matter what level, what CS items, what class, what....ever. We play together because we enjoy it.
It all depends on who you play with, why you play with them, and how you play.
I am a cash shop user. The rest of my guildies do not hold it against me just because when I die I dont lose exp, thanks to my Blessing of Teva. They don't hold my cash shop enhance weapons against me. They dont hold my riders against me. And I dont hold it against them simply because they cannot use cash shop items. I would party with them even if they were a level 5. Haha, ask toolrocket, :).
It just depends on your outlook on the game. And the outlook of the people you are lucky enough or unlucky enough to meet in the game and on the forums.

:eek: Spirit has Blessing of Teva?

-lets spirit dies 1st- oh well! XD jkjk

Some of us can't/don't party with forum members, or even people we know. Getting in a party in FoS is impossible for me. Some of us don't live in the perfect land where you have a guild, or guildmates who ask you if you want to join them. Since I'm guildless and usually can't party with people I know, its both boring to party, and hard to find one that I trust. I would like partying with people on my friend list, but they honestly don't want me because I'm 9-12 levels below, and can't tank 20 Ancient Stonies at a time. I can't AOE on Stonies, AOEing on Trumpys is dangerous, and ever since I sold my axe, I can't even solo an Orc without skill-spamming and a few stones. Yes, I'd like to party with a cleric who I know would care if I lose 10k+ when I die, but that just isn't how it works. (Yes, that is the real reason I've been the same level for over a month. I actually don't mind grinding, as long as it's a little fun...)

Clerics from 44-49 have easier times partying in Uruga/AEW, because they get less exp. There might only be a 75-100 exp per kill difference between that and 55+, but selfish people want every possible point of exp they can get. I've been in parties that choose the lower leveled clerics for this reason.

No one wants archers if an AOE mage is an option. (Just stating a fact. Again, not counting guild partying.) More damage, faster kills, lack of skill use is impossible, there really isn't a reason to choose an archer over a mage. (Not talking about partying in a guild-made party.)

its time for u to find some new frds fly! XD

i guess i know wat u mean with the 2 two paragraph... i live in a perfect guild world so i cant relate XD but i wont disagree with u either...

HOWEVER! the last paragraph... is a class balance issue.. it doesnt hv much to do with CS items...

Mages with the Valentines suits... Well... Let's just say I'm staying away from PvP maps for a while.

Maybe I'll write "off topic:" before it then... xD
Off topic!:
Ascension was kinda fun way back when... Except they obsessed with grinding... But then the leader had a heart attack, came back for a day while he was still in a hospital, then was never heard from again...
Well, maybe fun having other people to spam guild chat with. The last guild had about 4 people (including me), and 2 of those were alts... The master quit.
Note: This was before the fall of MIKURU ("MIKUTU" xD), just so Val can't bring up my epic typo.

EDIT: I <3 Loki!!! 8DDD

I think at first what I was writing related to what someone had said, but I didn't quote. /was too lazy to.

If one thing drives me nuts, it's people getting mad for dying if they have a Blessing on. When I buy one, I always tell the clerics to take priority in others/offer to sacrifice myself and take mobs away/become human shield. :D

@ Hessah and spirit, we know you have alot of friends and G_G is a great guild ....BUT

You need to take a look at it from a different perspective. Not everyone has a friendly majority non cash shop guild that is so closely intwined. Not everyone can so easily get a party so much. The game community outside of your guild can be much more....hostile?...No not a good word but you get the point.


If you tell someone "well its time for you to get some Friends"! understand, that it could be harder for some other people especially in other servers to find a community like yours.


Oh ya btw: Imo archers at 51 > mages until 60 Aoe poison FTW

-.- the get some new frds was intended as a joke ><

yeah i know not everyone has a friendly guild and all...

i was just trying to make a point that not EVERYONE will use CS just coz its out there...

and that not all non-CS players are crap...

yep..many people are like that :/

While it's possible to get somewhere without using much cash shop, it's getting harder and harder to do so, and in view of most of the recent updates being competitive based, like free PvP area and Battlegrounds, it seems pointless to try to play against cash shop users without doing the same.

My ideal view of a cash shop is that it should comprise of primarily "candy" or things that do not give any massive swing advantage over people who do not have the same item.

Things like Beauty Shop, Stat/Skill reset, extra Storage, extra Stone capacity, Blessing of Teva, Pets, Houses, the non-stat giving costumes and mounts are what I'd consider good examples of this.

I have little against +Exp Cards, +Drop Cards, Crit Costumes (although the size of the +crit is getting a bit stupid), Extenders, Superpots and upgrade stones.

I am significantly annoyed however by things like charms of might (which are imo, actually better for exp gain over the same time period than an exp card), charms of defense and the +50% damage +50% armour charm that comes in the tough cookie pack. It's practically useless trying to pvp against someone using those (they add magic attack and magic defense too) if you do not have them yourself, and good luck trying to win an arena competition against someone using those too.

i wonder if the permenant Mensin (or watever the 1st set of costume came out are called) are tradable...

but that might be the start of a Flyff economy crisis LOL

I've just had an off topic thought... if the permanent items are not tradeable then we'll hv BIG problems... coz that means anyone wanting to buy a new items will hv the old ones sitting in the inventory... taking up space... =/ then we'll be forced to get an old bag or destroy it!

but yeah if too many things can be bought with in game money then no one will need sparkcash.... (trying to keep it back on topic :p)

I.Menian

II. read somewhere that a new page opens up when the old fills, so I guess it's limitless.

wat does "new page opens up when the old fills" mean? keke

not the Premium bag.. but ur inventory bag..

once u use ur CS item, u either wear it, or it's in ur inventory bag in the 1 character... u cant put it back in premium bag.... (i know premium bag is limitless, but our inventory bag isnt, which is where my concern lies)

lol I thought you meant Premium bag *smacks head*


solution=don't take too much CS stuff out of the bag? o.O

LOL! they wat's the point of buying CS costumes that i cant wear? XD

or just stick to the one and never buy another perm set LOL

or maybe i'm only one of the few with massive inventory problems..

i'm always shocked and jealous when i see lvl 40+hv an empty inventory...

maybe i shall just start a whole new topic for this...

Empty inventory? :O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

I'm lucky if I have enough for KQ sometimes. But I hoard my mats. Even T3 ones because I always think I will regret it later if I sell them.

Anyway, I think the permanent ones will be tradeable but who knows. I still saw people selling the Skill Reset Scroll today in Elderine.

I personally do not buy CS items. I just say, "how nerdy can ya get?" and move on with my life. If you buy stuff for a game on computer = NERD