Why Fiesta is Such a Pain.
 

is mage really that much stronger than archers at high level?

as a cleric i really hate how mage dies in 2 hits...

People want mages more.

Why?

Archer skills are incredibly limited. Mages, on the other hand, have three of their four AoE spells. Archers can poison, but when you annihilate Navar the way some are able to now, archers are practically useless, as a mob of about 10 Navar die in about 10 seconds.

All people want is a 6x mage now >_<

And if everyone could somehow heal themselves without stones and potions, would they call a cleric useless? Of course.

The use of the word was not intended to be offensive. It was used, in context, to define the archer's handicap. I'll use an example to be more specific.

I was in a party with two level 67s, at the time of this post: Falcomist and hyoree, fighter and mage respectively. Now, all Falcomist had to do was round up about 10-15 Navar, use Mock and Devastate, and that's all he needed. hyoree would cast Frost Nova, then Inferno, then clean up anything left. Only took about 10 seconds to eliminate all. Not bad exp at all.

After a request, we added Shadow_Shot, a level 63 archer at the time of this post. hyoree went afk to deal with a phone call. It took us about half a minute to kill the Navar. My conclusion was such:

Due to the lack of archer skills, archers cannot compete with mages when it comes to grinding. People want to get as much exp as they can, and with mages able to kill faster, mages are preferred. I mean, be reasonable. A mage with Frost Nova and Inferno will decimate just about any mob.

You don't seem to get what I was ranting about. I was saying how people say they are looking for "DDs" but when an Archer, who is also considered a DD, asks for a party but they don't get an invite. If they don't want any Archers they should just ask for Mages instead.

Doesn't take a genius to figure Mages overpower us by far. But we also need parties too and I hear so many saying how they feel sorry for our class... yet where are the invites? Always the last resort when they seriously can't find anyone, not even ppl way below their party.

Also the thing about the Cleric... yeah, no. Obviously they don't have any issues right now getting a party or soloing. And that also isn't the point of this thread.

Outsparks Fiesta sure has ripped them off.

yeah sounds like it... but hopefully they'll work something out soon...

Dakkon started a thread about class balance... so i guess at least we know that it's one of they things they will look at some time in the future...

I saw you shouting for a party today in Uruga today Loveless. Along with like another lvl 53 archer. I didn't even bother shouting since I'm only lvl 37. But I bet that lvl 38 cleric got a party....>.> gah.

This may make me seem like a noob, but I don't understand why people don't want archers. When we are in FoS killing stuff, I can tell a major difference when Eclipse is not with us and when he is. As a mage, I would like to think I am more powerful than an archer, but truth be told, I would rather party with an archer than another mage.

My l38 cleric would love to leech off of higher level archers (duoing isn't bad for me at all). I am a reasonably good healer in Uruga area as long as I don't have orcs stuck to me, and I'm not stingy at all about burning sp stones to keep my party alive (my level is lower so the archer get more exp anyway). If any higher level archer is interested in duoing with my cleric please send me a pm with your playtime (I'm in eastern time zone and play on Apoline server). P.s. just my personal opinion.... archer is way better than mages when it comes to killing mobs much stronger (DoTs do same amount of damage regardless of enemy's defense) :D

Archers are ok at doing aoe, but where they really shine is 1v1, an archer 50+ could probly kill most things faster then a mage 1v1

its funny i was recently thinking, man archers do too much damage, they should do more damage with buffs and less with just straight shots. They are too much like us mage except they can take a hit better. I'm level 39 and I see archer do poison etc and then hit normal and they kill the monster the same as me. If they are going to hit as hard as a mage, why do they have higher end. I say class balance is needed, to make archers weaker.

An archer's damage varies alot. If none of the poisons actually land properly the kill speed becomes alot slower.

are you saying that poison attack can hit without leaving poison damage. so even if they dont "miss" which can be corrected with power scroll, there is a possibility of the poison not working? This doesnt seem to be my observation.

Yes. Even if the skill hits the mob, it may not poison.

Archers don't need to hit as hard as a mage... but they sure should hit faster than one.

I want that 0.9 sec attack speed. T_T

I want everything kfiesta has.

with every attack we have except one have a 15second cool down, everybody does have a faster attack speed than a mage. or we use mm1 and possibly fb1 which is critisized at a gameplay fault.

Archer i would consider "DD" if they were partied to fight ghost knight or Legend tree... however when it comes to AOE the Mage shines.

To be honest the Archer Class is the most balance class in the game to be honest. I consider Archer the king of DD's in 1v1 because they only have 1v1 skills that prove to be useful.

Also in Kfiesta Mages dont have " FROST NOVA" at lvl 60 ^^ this is why most mages at lvl 60 and some fighters are lvling faster then other classes atm

i have always said archers and fighters are the most well rounded, or have the potential to be, and are only good in parties of more than two, and the best at solo. as a mage i would rather have a cleric tank, and i prefer parties of two because thats all i need.

Cleric are considered to be tanks at later higher lvls because their recovers defeat the purpose of Fighters Mock.

However... Mages in higher lvl like 70+ i see to tank now because of the fact that the mages literally obliterate both skills making Mages most likely to tank in later lvls.

Also in 70+ u can say that Fighter and Archer are just duo or solo monsters in later lvls.

this is the case with every level character. heal is seen as an attack for the heal amount. so a cleric bashing 200 and healing 200 is seen by the monster to be doing 400 damage and worthy of agro. the more you attack / or heal the greater threat level you aquire. i'm just saying, clerics have always had a snear factor to protect mages. thats why fighters are useless to me.