-Complainers about Clerics in PvP read this Plz-
 

-Alright before I say this alot of you people will be pretty mad an think im a idiot but all of what im saying is true so ill apologize ahead of time @ the Mods if you feel my post is way out of line please jus delete...an again sorry



Ok Ive about had it up to my neck with people complaining about Clerics.... get your facts straight Invincible lasts 30 sec and it ONLY absorbs X amount of damage if you're not smart enough to figure out how simple it is to kill a cleric be quiet an go play NeoPets....You're stupid for tryin to solo a Cleric in the first place... it all comes down to END buddy even if i didnt have Invincible u couldnt drop me **** Guntrix at lvl 65 couldnt drop me an all i was doin was shielding Andy and healing myself * i did not use Invincible on myself once* Dude...spare us your pathetic whining and go learn the game.

Ok increase Invincible cool time to 2 mins you say? Tell me how you plan finish KQs and Do boss hunts please enlighten me dude...Man the lvl 40 quest boss does 640 dmg per hit and hes got atk speed coming out of his butt..then you have the KQ i'd like to see you even think about doin that with a 2min invincible..Goblin King lvl 48 boss 1k dmg per hit...but u wouldnt know that....dude learn pvp tactics please...if clerics were a easy kill you wouldnt have anything to say but simply because you cant solo them you find it neccesary to complain


As for your complaints about mage skills....dude again learn the game INT didnt work in CB1 hence the low dmg on mages. You should really have actually played the game instead of making your unfound complaints against mage skills and cleric buffs they are like that for a reason since mobs do so much dmg later on , but again you wouldnt know that.But if you need a mage lesson in CB2 pm me an ill have Fireriot give you a few pointers.

*for all of your complaints and failures at killing a cleric in pvp heres a guide*
Needs:

1: Fighter

2:Mage and Whatever else u want to bring

*OK heres where it gets hard....not really but obviously you arent intelligent enough to figure it out on your own so here we go.*

Dps cleric for x amount of dmg ill use 2k as a example or use a Mage to purge...Next have your Fighter stun the cleric then do what any intelligent guild will SPIKE DMG....Cleric dead GG noobs

Quit Crying and learn how to play or be a CareBear an avoid pvp please =/

again im sorry if this is out of line an i offend anyone:rolleyes: but it needs to be said to quiet the complaining masses.

My only quarrel is the cool down time on Purge and Sp Draining spells need to be LOWERED. Purge = 2 min CD, Sp Drain is at 3. WTF?

YA CLERICS ARE OVERPOWERED !!! NOT >.>
i am tired and tired of the people complaining about the clerics...

fighters: spam the debuff skills as much as you can ! decreasing clerics atk speed should piss them off plenty, figthers have more hp and def even and maybe just a bit less without a shield

mages: umm speed-debuff them with the ice attack, hit and run? have you tried that? slow ass speed running and getting kited would piss them off plenty and your long range. your cool down time would be fast too also a speed scroll would be good too!

archers: theres this trap skill thats supposed to trap the target XD? im not too sure but just kite them...with a speed scroll you should be fine. who cares if its cheap, you'll just piss em off more ;P lol

but yea..i swear if clerics get nerfed...i will scream and yell more than those peopel who complain clerics are too strong!

I don't have anything against clerics since I played one myself but,

Our cool downs are slow! Dx Unless you're talking about something that's related to higher levels, then I'm not sure since I haven't reached that stage yet, heh. But at the moment, one skill with 4 second cooldown and 3 others with a whole 15 sec cool down seems to last forever for me. Dx

ya...mages need a complete new makeover lol
not sure about their attack skills...since most players DONT have mdef...you might kill them a lot fast :o just need to fix int lol

i jus die a little inside everytime someone complains like this....:rolleyes:

Copying and pasting what i put down at the official forums

The fact that it always has to be 2vs1 to beat a cleric alone is a sign that something has to be done. Mages are the only character that can dispel and the rest of the classes have it worse.

The healing animation is bugged too, Clerics can cancel the healing skill animation and keep fighting while still getting healed

Imagine 2 or 3 clerics working together, they can chain spam invincibility and heals.

And those who say cleric damage is poor.... Look at this

Cleric weapons have better base damage stats than fighter two handed swords. A cleric is capable of weilding a shield and doing more damage than the fighter unless he uses an axe.

Look, IMo the cleric class is probably the least bugged out of all the classes ,besides the healing bug of course, so most of them have not been given acess to their full potential, but still so far they SEEM to be OP atm.

Outspark is most likely going to be listening to the masses, although I find its a little WAY to early to balance the game when there are still bugs around, i can sense the nerf bat wailing on the cleric class all night.

Mace better dmg then 2 hand sword i think not?...Hammer lawl u guys complain about Hammer? DUDE WTF????? Hammer = miss miss in pvp..also pvp as well

Cleric 3rd Class
The Paladin is a mix of a melee fighter and a secondary spell caster. Their main role is to be the secondary healer (Priest) and tank (Warrior). They have an assortment of spells and buffs. * from a different game but it explains a paladin*

hope clears up your cleric issue

I edited it a bit to steer it away from a flame thread.

sorry about that dude =/ rills me good to see someone who knows nothin complaining....

I understand I have a cleric also at first I thought how awesome invincible is then it only lasts a short amount of time and it takes a little bit to recast and only absorbs so much damage.

Please...take a look at the weapon stats and compare them to their weapon counterparts (in attack speed) for warriors....you''ll be suprised...

Pardon the short attention span, but i don't see what is your point with posting the 3rd advancement for the cleric has to do with my argument

I'm still not convinced all the classes are balanced, but we should wait on outspark's changes...

Since you said you need more than 1 class to kill them, then they need to be nerfed imo. O_O

SMH...people just dont get the point u need more then one class to kill every class...NO class is strong enough to jus solo people...unless they are ridiciously low lvls...no class oneshots >_< which is basically SMH. with both stones an Hp pots to heal with thats what u need to be able to do to effectively solo someone.

In that case since you need to classes to take down mages etc etc they should be nerfed to?

What does SMH? And I can imagine archers to be pretty easy to kill though @.@" Although I have never tried to pvp before.

SMH=Shaking My Head...archers pretty easy to kill? LAWL tell me how two archers lvl 34 an 36 * i know this because i plvled them both* 20v2'd the whole Teva Guild?

evasion ftw? uber dodge monkeys when built right lawl >_<

Like I said, I haven't tried pvp-ing before so I wouldn't know D: I only thought that because I sucked at pvm @___@" I guess it's a bit different when it comes to being killed by a player, then.

And, did you mean two archers kill 20 people? Or is that a typo? o_O"

I never PvP'd before so I didn't know that Dx

Tachoink Guild Vs Teva...theres was two people on from Tachoink: Synelia an San*something* both archers San*i can remember her to name to save my life* has a high dmg/crit build...Synelia is crit or somethin im not really sure both of them are mid-lvls *something both names are kinda similar so i dont remember*...they beat Teva in GvG dropped the majority of them. and yes there was only 2 of them....

Hm but after thinking about it, how is it possible that every class needs two classes to kill them? If you have a 1v1 battle, someone has got to die. o.o?

It'd be cool if one day we can get a whole bunch of people and test that out xD See which class wins most often and which class loses most, or if they're all even. xD

PM me the unedited version XD!
I have no beef with clerics.
Everyone has their own advantages.... just have to learn someone weakness. and if u die to a cleric 100000 billion times in PvP.
Then im sorry.
Maybe PvP isnt for you and you shouldt go lvl up more :D.

lol because all u need to do to survive is spam hp stones an hp pots....no class really has that kinda HUGE stopping power...like doing 1k per hit or something

Oh I thought we talking about a pvp without using food.

Too used to FlyFF pvp where everyone complains about fooding @.@"

lol not using pots/stones in GvG will never happen...but heres a tip for Archers in pvp....dude u guys have DoT spells which u can stack them by lvls...durin pvp with Guntrix he was Stacking Bleed x2 and Poison x2 on me mass dmg...>_<

You don't evenm need 2 chars to take down a Cleric.

you just have to use wits, and be cautious of which build the cleric has.

pure str war > any non pure end cler

All you ahve to do is get the shield dropped in a good 5 seconds then stun and wail away.

if they have stones and pots however, it's hard.

but any which way
It is also hard as hell for clerics to take down decently built fighters as well.
fighters have higher def armor and stronger weps, and usually carry alot of HP pots.

However, if you are up against a pur end cleric, that will need more than one char,

but,

this is directed at the people talking about the "if 2 classes have to take it down blahblah blah",

it is VERY difficult for the cleric to get any kills unless he/she is like 10 lvls higher, they just lack the str.

People do really need to think things through and stop complaining when they can't win.

I've never had to use pots when gvg, i've never even run out of hp stones only stones i need to refill on when warring are sp stones and my fighter build isn't even end based i only have 11 points in it.

As for killing clerics like others have said take out absorb, then stun then spam skills.

nah its not hard at all with the build im using * no i wont disclose it now because im not done testing it* but basically its a high dmg-high defense build =)

lol i jus think its bad that i *a cleric* have to tell you how to kill me....And AndyB Sup?

Hehe you have the same mindset as me Tequilla :D

Oh yeah, people, it need 2 or more chars to kill cleric. So what ? Cleric is a TANKER, if you need only 1 person to take down a full END tanker, doesn't he look the most pathetic thing in the world ?

Face it, Cleric don't die, and as the same time, they don't kill anyone

GG balance sense

nah :cool: my dmg-def build will drop a person pretty quick an also when i get my magic attacks ill be a force nuff said...but *again once im done ill post the build here*

I don't care, really.


All classes have their ups and downs, it's not always going to be even.

Can u pot while stunned?

edit, pot meaning using stones or pots, or hp or sp.

yes you can, but you can't use heal

You may heal with pots in stones in stuns.

You guys put up some great points but in the end whoever has the most clerics is usually the victor in most fights i have seen.

What people seem to be angry about though is the 1v1 duels.

But anyway, lets just WAIT till outspark releases thier balancing changes.

Well, I only started a cleric but I did notice that there natural growth rate sucks. They get 3 points in str and 1 in everything else. While Archers get like 2 str and 4 or 5 dex added each lvl. Fighters get END and STR. Clerics are great but there aren't invincible

yes you can pot/stone through stun lol..but with people on they wont be enough to save you.:D

and the growth doesnt suck it jus all goes into str an its more then 3 per lvl im not clear as to how many because i never counted them ;D

I play a cleric, and I think they are good as they are. However, I noticed how sparky said that archers just need to use speed scroll then kite to piss Clerics off. I don't like the scroll reasoning because all classes can use it so bringing up using scrolls is rather pointless is it not? The question is not whether Clerics should be nerfed, because I personally don't think they should. But do you guys believe that Archers are a bit gimped? Should there be any improvements on archers? And yes, I hear about the traps, but since we can only really go on our experiences on CB1, we can't really conclude on how affective traps are. Personally, I'd rather have a mage then an archer for KQ runs, if I were given the choice. And I just don't see archers bringing something extremely big to the PvP game. Unless you guys would like to show me some great uses of Archers, in comparison to other classes. I'd be happy to watch and listen with open ears. I don't claim to be an expert of this game, though I am very analytical of it. So any constructive criticisms would be much appreciated.

As it was said before, speaking about 1on1 is pointless. The one who losses an 1on1 fight is the one who runs out of money earlier (so can't buy more stones). Lol.

The issue about Clerics is that they can make everything a good tank - even an lvl15 mage. Saying crap like "absorb lasts 30 seconds and only absorbs an X amout of damage"... That "only X amout" is actually more than the max life of any class on 5 level higher than the casting cleric. And 30 second is far enough, as long as the cooldown is less than 30 sec (and it is, or? O.o).
Team battles are just a hunt for supportless and low leveled people. Focusing Clerics is out of the question, they can't be killed fast enough, and if you succeed killing them, in max. 8 seconds they're back (that's a laggy respawn + the idle state).
And i feel PATHETIC when i'm running around trying to get close to lvl20 mages from their black-point (their back of the camera) to 2 hit K.O. them. But that's the only way to kill someone in the current PvP system - as long as the clerics are doing their job properly.
In the end, the guild winning (if the guilds have around the same amout of same leveled people fighting, of course) is the one posessing more and better Clerics, and i don't feel that's right.
A Guild War should be a Guild War, not a Cleric War.


@ Rokaraged, his first post: healing animation being canceled is not an issue. All skill animation can be canceled after the effect (eg.: projectile, buff, heal, damage) is done. Fighters can cancel every one of their skills, i can release 4 damage-dealing spells into you while you hit me twice. In this point of view, Clerics are in disadvantage because they don't have too many attack skills.

first i must say (lately) thanks teq for talking about me and Sanshi sweetly about our time with Teva. I think most of the time it was just us.

But anyways, I tend to get a cleric on me who will always spam invinc on themselves. You can see where this would piss me off so much. Cause here I am needing to use my HP and SP stones to keep attacking while the asshole just heals himself and invincs himself. And sometimes there is more than one on me. And what do I have? Absolutely nothing. I can give them poison and bleeding but what good is it? they'll just heal it off. I know not all clerics are like this, but the ones I meet in PvP are always like this.

I would be lying if I completely hated the clerics though, I am not stupid of what their invinc does for me too (if I should tank which sometimes I do). It's just frustrating for me to just sit there just keep hitting knowing i'll never break the shield and he'll put up a new one soon and the status would not be a bother to him either. I've had my fair share of help from outside clerics before. Once I was the only one on in my old guild (Tachoink) and there was a war that just started on us..or rather me...from a new guild Oblivion. A couple of outside clerics invinc me a few times and sometimes healed me..of course me being overruned by clerics themselves...needless to say I won it even before HQ GW them too. But I wouldn't have won, I don't think, without the help of outside clerics. What I would have to do is use up all my elderine scrolls to get off target and take out the ones without shield hoping i can kill them before they shield the person i target. Believe me, I hate sneaking up, but sometimes I have to in order to actually get a hit in.

So Clerics are a double edge sword imo. Sorry for the ranting and stuff you are free to murder me now >.>

Archers bring something very important to pvp...DEGEN...which if they knew the game and knew thier class they would know that they can stack Skill 1 and Skill 2: if you wish to dispute me on that then go ahead but Ive had it done to me so you're point is moot

Any game where the Guild War has no death timer will be a healer war...or Simply whoever has the better players etc etc will win. But before CB2 is over ill hit lvl 60 so i can add more fuel to the fire...when all the clerics are Paladins even without Invincible Ill see how you like us beatin the living daylights out you.

*new goal in game: kick Teq's ass!* xD