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KY_Jelly 12-05-2007 06:50 AM

my parting gift
 
well, since i quit fiesta, i decided to give out some info that i gleaned during some of my less than legal activity.

all enhancing rumors are false. after unpacking the files, i found out it is infact random, there is no "magic pattern".

most bots in the game are based off the same source code. after tooling with it for a while and making a bot of my own, i found out a party invite will A: mess them up, freezing them for the 15 seconds or whatever before the invite times out or B: cause the bot to join your party. then just set to sequential allocation and enjoy the free exp and loot.

ThievingSix 12-05-2007 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KY_Jelly (Post 53157)
mess them up, freezing them for the 15 seconds or whatever before the invite times out or B: cause the bot to join your party. then just set to sequential allocation and enjoy the free exp and loot.

Technically that can be recoded and avoid errors or problems..

KY_Jelly 12-05-2007 07:26 AM

of course. i fixed the problem in my bot. it's just most people are idiots and just unpacked the source code in vb+ (or downloaded a working bot from some hack site)

k, but 4 reals, go make GM console for fiesta, kthx. I'll come back to fiesta if you do.

O-mie 12-05-2007 09:15 AM


x_x Don't make problems for the rest of us, you know so many mmos get all nazi on innocents when baddies do bad things =[

Xylem 12-05-2007 10:25 AM

What are you people talking about? GM consoles?

arashi 12-05-2007 12:28 PM

one of these, maybe? :p

secbro20 12-05-2007 12:36 PM

Really? We can invite bots and if they join, we get free exp and drops? Hmmm. That is pretty sweet, but isn't that kinda like botting itself? Your getting lvled for doing nothing by something that should not be in game since it is against the rules

PwnageCleric 12-05-2007 01:00 PM

it's not your problem that there are dumb bots(people), you make the game better by leeching off the motherfucker's xp. and even if you get banned for it, tell that i said that it's helping fiesta so they will unban ^^

Yosei 12-05-2007 02:54 PM

Just by posting here we're in the bullets path :O

PwnageCleric 12-05-2007 02:59 PM

why did you post here then ? 0.o

Spells 12-05-2007 03:17 PM

Posting crap like this here is retarded. I hope this thread is closed and deleted soon.

ThievingSix 12-05-2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spells (Post 53310)
Posting crap like this here is retarded. I hope this thread is closed and deleted soon.

Well what you posted doesn't help either. You spammed something completly not directed toward this conversation.

Anyway, all KY posted was some information on the current bots and how to stop them or slow them down without training them.

Spells 12-05-2007 04:00 PM

No, talking about hacking, bot creation and even getting back at bots is agaist ToS of Fiesta... Read it... http://www.outspark.com/legal

Renamon! 12-05-2007 04:08 PM

Renamon glares at Spells and giggles a little bit

"I couldn't find anything that states that we couldn't talk about stuff like this, for it is only a discussion, but this is the closest thing I can find"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outspark.com/legal
Modify any files or use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools, including scripting or macroing software, or attempt to disassemble the game client and/or decipher the data transmissions between any OUTSPARK Game's client and server.

Looks back to the previous posts and frowns a little

"Damn!! No enhancement pattern? I really wanted those cool and glowy weapons AND titles!" "I think someones going to implement gameguard o_O"

Spells 12-05-2007 04:16 PM

It's better not to discuss these topics anywhere as almost all hosts/providers have counter hack teams. I'm personsally a Fraud Investigator for a big travel company but I have previous experience as a GM and Community Coordinator for several MMO's. But due to several NDA's, I can't tell which games. Also, Steam frequents these forums several times a day...

ThievingSix 12-05-2007 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spells (Post 53336)
No, talking about hacking, bot creation and even getting back at bots is agaist ToS of Fiesta... Read it... http://www.outspark.com/legal

The comment that I made in no way goes against any part of the ToS. The ToS also doesn't state that reverse engineering the 3rd party tools is illegal. It also does not state that talking about reverse engineering the 3rd party tools is illegal.

All that was said that is against the ToS is that KY reversed the game code at the point of enhancing. Yes she could get banned, but if you read carefully in which it seems you did not; KY doesn't care, he quit. The point that I posted in refrense to your post is that you were spamming the topic with irrelevent talk about not being able to talk about this type of matter(phew..). If a mod/admin wishes to close it then fine. You posting here asking for that doesn't help.

Now as to not be a hypocrite and do the exact same thing(lol):
Quote:

"Damn!! No enhancement pattern? I really wanted those cool and glowy weapons AND titles!" "I think someones going to implement gameguard o_O"
Lol.

KY_Jelly 12-05-2007 07:27 PM

1. I'm the only one who could possibly be banned for this. none of you did anything wrong. Just walk away knowing there is no pattern.

2. my second post was more of a response to T6, my OP was the point. party invite the bots, that's how you beat them.

3. the comment about the GM console was more of an inside joke. You'd have to had played igunz and you'd have to know about T6's history on igunz to really understand that statement.

4. I gave away my account. Thanatopsis is not me. The new player is from central america and only speaks basic english.

AngellicDiety 12-05-2007 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spells (Post 53343)
It's better not to discuss these topics anywhere as almost all hosts/providers have counter hack teams. I'm personsally a Fraud Investigator for a big travel company but I have previous experience as a GM and Community Coordinator for several MMO's. But due to several NDA's, I can't tell which games. Also, Steam frequents these forums several times a day...

I highly doubt that. If you did agree to Non Disclosure Agreements you would not be even mentioning you've agreed to them.

When you agree to Non-Disclosure agreements you agree not to event hint that you have agreed to such. :rolleyes:

O-mie 12-05-2007 07:43 PM


Guys lets not turn this into a mexican stand-off of bickering at each other.

Triumph 12-05-2007 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xylem (Post 53187)
What are you people talking about? GM consoles?

What GM's use to spawn monsters, treasure chests, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KY_Jelly (Post 53422)
1. I'm the only one who could possibly be banned for this. none of you did anything wrong. Just walk away knowing there is no pattern.

2. my second post was more of a response to T6, my OP was the point. party invite the bots, that's how you beat them.

3. the comment about the GM console was more of an inside joke. You'd have to had played igunz and you'd have to know about T6's history on igunz to really understand that statement.

4. I gave away my account. Thanatopsis is not me. The new player is from central america and only speaks basic english.

Hahaha, IGunZ. Was way better than ijji imo, even with premiums.

jacquin 12-05-2007 09:05 PM

I'll jump into the bullet's path.

First, about enhancing, I just had a feeling that it was truly random. The whole thing had a feel of the enchantment systems of other games, which are a simple "put item in, click button, hope for best" systems. The whole thing with deciding where to put the stone seemed like it was just window dressing. VERY POWERFUL dressing, considering how emotional people get with it. Still, I prefer how it works, both that it's interesting and that it's truly random (so people can't 'cheat the system').

As for the bot thing, I was curious as to whether partying will trip up the bots, given how...unpolished they are ('smart' bots in other games are usually silent and VERY wise not to KS or irritate other players, for fear of being spotted). Nice to know that they will mess up most of the time. As for the ones that WILL party, I'm not really one to leech so I'd probably just report and drop the party. Of course, if you end up partying with a live person accidentaly well...now you have a real party :D.

Now if something can be done to trip up the spammers in town...

ThievingSix 12-05-2007 09:48 PM

That was a fun day..fun day...I want to see Guntrix ingame(Fiesta). He banned me around 30 times on iGunz some of them IP banns...I really pissed him off...

I wonder if he'd quit fiesta if he knew I was playing it lulz..

Hraesvelg 12-05-2007 10:24 PM

The part of the TOS that could get someone in trouble is:

Quote:

15. Engage in any behavior that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game' as defined by OUTSPARK in its sole discretion.
http://www.outspark.com/legal

Spells 12-05-2007 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngellicDiety (Post 53430)
I highly doubt that. If you did agree to Non Disclosure Agreements you would not be even mentioning you've agreed to them.

When you agree to Non-Disclosure agreements you agree not to event hint that you have agreed to such. :rolleyes:

Actually, I can discuss the matter that I have signed such agreements, as long as I do not discuss game names or insider information. Therefore I haven't violated their terms.

ThievingSix 12-05-2007 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 53562)
The part of the TOS that could get someone in trouble is:



http://www.outspark.com/legal

Lmfao, thats the biggest loop-hole for them ever. It's like how Congress put that line saying that whatever they decide goes.

I could get on the game at midnight, they could vote that that action is not in the spirit of the game, boom: banned. This thread, besides KY's post has no intention of getting anyone banned.

Spells 12-05-2007 11:42 PM

That was never my point, I simple stated that it's dumb to discuss these subjects here where we all know a GM visits daily...

Hessah 12-06-2007 12:05 AM

Steam was in and out and said nothing...

Hraesvelg 12-06-2007 12:12 AM

Quote:

This thread, besides KY's post has no intention of getting anyone banned.
I know there's no intention, I just posted that big loophole because, if they so choose, they can really ban anyone for anything, anytime. It was mainly in response to the people saying that they hadn't hacked anything, etc. Even possession of this knowledge may be against the "spirit of the game" or whatever. Tread carefully in an open forum.

MaxOff 12-06-2007 12:16 AM

bahh,

boring farewell gift. Maybe next time u could put more effort in it. ^^

ThievingSix 12-06-2007 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spells (Post 53594)
That was never my point, I simple stated that it's dumb to discuss these subjects here where we all know a GM visits daily...

Well my point was that your point was dumb! XP
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 53611)
I know there's no intention, I just posted that big loophole because, if they so choose, they can really ban anyone for anything, anytime. It was mainly in response to the people saying that they hadn't hacked anything, etc. Even possession of this knowledge may be against the "spirit of the game" or whatever. Tread carefully in an open forum.

There is no reason to tread carefully when nothing was done wrong.

Blaaaaaaaah 12-06-2007 12:45 AM

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this thread so far. No "methods" has been posted or discussed, no details have been revealed. KY merely told us what he reckons, not telling us how he found out. If he did, then that's a problem.

Just make sure you guys don't step over the borderline and post something that's not allowed. (Duh, xD).

KY_Jelly 12-06-2007 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxOff (Post 53619)
bahh,

boring farewell gift. Maybe next time u could put more effort in it. ^^

how's this for effort? first person to post an action photo of an FD3S RX7 gets at least 50 silver, maybe 100, maybe more (i think i have 500ish leftover) depending on how generous i am.

must be an FD3S, and must be a picture of the car DRIVING. no staged shots. My two hobbies are automotives and photography, so don't try to pull a fake on me.

edit: TY blaaahs. i had you in mind with that first post, i was trying to release as little info as possible while still explaining my two tips sufficiently to give them credibility.

ThievingSix 12-06-2007 01:12 AM

http://www.zerotohundred.com/feature...pen/DSC_00.jpg
http://thumbs.vidiac.com/comment/dff...678a24eb4b.jpg

Hessah 12-06-2007 01:13 AM

is photoshoped considered to be staged?!

ThievingSix 12-06-2007 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 53646)
is photoshoped considered to be staged?!

lmfao

Hessah 12-06-2007 01:16 AM

i just want to say that a lot of the "photos", like the one u posted are photoshoped

ThievingSix 12-06-2007 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 53649)
i just want to say that a lot of the "photos", like the one u posted are photoshoped

True, but it was the best I could find. But KY will give me silvers because I r good!!1!!

KY_Jelly 12-06-2007 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 53646)
is photoshoped considered to be staged?!

the one he posted is rolling.

...i'd guess its doing around 5-10 mph...

it's also quite obvious it was shot rolling through a parking lot then superimposed on the background its currently on.

right now, i'm not satisfied. the first shot is filtered A LOT. the second the car is pre-staged at a drag, not moving.

if no one else posted something better by the end of the night, t6 wins.

Hessah 12-06-2007 01:19 AM

ok i'll leave it at that...

</3 car talks

ThievingSix 12-06-2007 01:22 AM

I win silvers =D WOOO lol, nah it's not the pic KY just wuvs me..lulz


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