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snakz 07-05-2007 12:19 AM

The beauty of stats
 
str , int and spr -------- offensive stats
end , dex and spr --------- defensive stats

i been reading up on most forum and i found out that most people believe that going full on a certain stats will be great.(full str on a archer or cleric)

like in most archer case, it true that they do get a good amount of dex(which i believe is their defensive stats for them) but this is just the basic lvl i feel , just having this amount will still let mob be able to hit u most of the time mayb not as much as other class but the other classes have end so the can tank better too.

some of u may say that u will kill the mob even b4 they get to u, true in lower lvls when most of the mob are non aggro u can still lvl quite fast but later stages(lvl 20++) in the game aggro mob are almost everywhere and without a higher defensive capabilities you will not last long unless ur in a party.

in short full str, int, dex, end, or spr is not really a good idea if u plan to soloing. like in most game, full devotion on a certain stats is only gonna last u so long unless u got a long list of friends ingame to party with :D:D

just my two cent worth :cool:

Belaslav 07-05-2007 03:07 AM

Hands down, pure stats are no good. I completely agree.

Keetos 07-05-2007 03:28 AM

I agree. However, too much spreading of points to different stats is not so good either. I believe the best way to go is to have a duo (STR-END, STR-DEX etc).

Deaths_Illusion 07-05-2007 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keetos (Post 3768)
I agree. However, too much spreading of points to different stats is not so good either. I believe the best way to go is to have a duo (STR-END, STR-DEX etc).

excatly correct my friend :P.

+Tequila+ 07-05-2007 05:18 AM

lawl clerics can get away with pure END..jus to let u know =/ if u need proof then im more then willing 2 provide it

snakz 07-05-2007 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 3804)
lawl clerics can get away with pure END..jus to let u know =/ if u need proof then im more then willing 2 provide it

Not strong enough to proof u wrong but u may have abit of problem with mob with high magic attack :) just a little:p

+Tequila+ 07-05-2007 06:16 AM

lawl no you dont =) my magic defense is high enough with resistance =)

snakz 07-05-2007 06:36 AM

Point taken :D :D

thailehuy 07-05-2007 10:09 AM

My cleric is going full END
My archer is going full DEX

Oh yeah full stat DOES work :D

snakz 07-05-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thailehuy (Post 3852)
My cleric is going full END
My archer is going full DEX

Oh yeah full stat DOES work :D

archer will full dex will lack lot of attack power. true u have high denfensive capabilities but ur archer will have a hard time lvl unlikey the cleric most of the archer skill are attack base a cleric with no attack can still be in a party to heal and support her party member and further more the cleric with full end can tanks which is also another reason to party a full end cleric.but a archer who does lower damage then the other archer his/her lvl there may not be a party that want u.

don't forget the role of the other three char(fighter,mage and archer) is to kill quicky

why get a archer who can't kill quickly. :confused:

ColdxHeart 07-05-2007 05:26 PM

Pure stats have their advantages, but also bring up loads of cons. Especially being something like full STR / SPR is hard in some cases, because if you have low END/HP/Defence you die so much easier. I think that having about 2stats raised in a ratio can put off on better footing. I agree with what you say. And yeah, some people enjoy soloing. It can get them away from being totally reliant on parties. That way you can train whenever you want to, not when you can find a party.

+Tequila+ 07-05-2007 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakz (Post 3878)
archer will full dex will lack lot of attack power. true u have high denfensive capabilities but ur archer will have a hard time lvl unlikey the cleric most of the archer skill are attack base a cleric with no attack can still be in a party to heal and support her party member and further more the cleric with full end can tanks which is also another reason to party a full end cleric.but a archer who does lower damage then the other archer his/her lvl there may not be a party that want u.

don't forget the role of the other three char(fighter,mage and archer) is to kill quicky

why get a archer who can't kill quickly. :confused:

Full dex archers will be uber dodge monkeys mostly used for pvp an spamming degen...archers were not designed with HIGH-Damage in mind hence the stackable D.O.T spells.

snakz 07-05-2007 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 3916)
Full dex archers will be uber dodge monkeys mostly used for pvp an spamming degen...archers were not designed with HIGH-Damage in mind hence the stackable D.O.T spells.

i agree with u to some point but .......

Even non full dex archers will be uber dodge monkeys example(dex:str, or dex:spr) maybe not as good as the full but still good enough. what the full dex archer will lack will be the extra damage the other build can dish out

Don't forget all archer have the same skill so they can do the same thing u said so why get the 1 that does less damage

Revy 07-06-2007 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakz (Post 3878)
don't forget the role of the other three char(fighter,mage and archer) is to kill quicky

Partly wrong. Fighters' damage output is far lesser than Mages' and Archers'. On the other hand, they have several skills causing monsters to leave their current target and go attack the Fighter instead - it's oblivious that Fighters are meant for tanking.

phizzie 07-14-2007 11:50 AM

whatever yu guys do. do NOT make a mage with full INT. take it from somebody that has failed 9 times trying to do the job change quest with his mage. (me) LOL
(i passed on 1st try with my cleric though :p)

Blaaaaaaaah 07-14-2007 12:03 PM

LOL Oh was that why you said you gave up trying your job change quest for mage?

Or was I talking to someone else?

phizzie 07-14-2007 12:21 PM

hmmm im not sure if yu were talking to me about it. but i really did give up the quest haha.

Skeith 07-14-2007 01:07 PM

@snakz
Maybe Archer's with Full Dex is kinda weak! But i don't find a Full str. Archer that power full to! You may have a high attack power but what's the use if there are mobs all over you! Archer's with Full Str. i think is only good in 1 on 1! if you get your self surrounded by mobs its the end for you! My Build is +35 Dex and +10 Str. and oi find it easy to go solo! And i do a pretty good damage and Crit! And by the way i have 420-510 Atk!

Triumph 07-14-2007 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thailehuy (Post 3852)
My cleric is going full END
My archer is going full DEX

Oh yeah full stat DOES work :D

Full DEX? Archers already have a lot of DEX by default...

Synelia 07-15-2007 02:39 AM

I think going full DEX is stupid but I don't think it's stupid to add stats to DEX. It's not a bad idea. :D I'm doing that

Sheapy 07-15-2007 02:45 AM

What's so bad about a pure INT mage. So far it's working out pretty good for me. The reason that people fail their job change is because they don't use scrolls or no pots/stones to alternate between. Mages weren't really made to tank. We have enough SP by the regular stats gained through level. STR = no brainer.

Synelia 07-15-2007 02:57 AM

yeah, one thing I don't like about that job change is in the dungeon i lagged a lot and I don't know why. But she almost killed me when i went in @.@ Without scrolls or pots and stones I would of surely died quickly. Archers and mages are not tankers XD

Blaaaaaaaah 07-15-2007 03:02 AM

I got one hit KO'ed as soon as I got into the Dungeon for my job change quest! I wasn't using any scrolls.

@Sheapy: what scrolls do you usually use when you train?

Sheapy 07-15-2007 03:04 AM

Vit + Shield. Always have one on when training, even with clerics

Synelia 07-15-2007 03:06 AM

I don't think i have anymore scrolls anymore to actually use, I saved up all the ones to use in my job change and then helped my friends by giving them scrolls they needed so D: I never use scrolls, I depend on my party!

Skeith 07-15-2007 05:45 AM

I have 20 scrolls of vit, agi, aim, def, mentality, travel speed! i always use those for safety reasons lol!

Synelia 07-15-2007 05:49 AM

in OB i'm going to get the scroll productio thing instead of the stone one

rokaraged 07-15-2007 06:06 AM

Potions and scrolls are perferably the BEST for anyone starting off.

Stones WILL BE though once the economy stabalizes, a money maker.. (scrolls maybe too)

Skeith 07-15-2007 06:08 AM

I made a big mistake of putting stones production instead of Potion! T_T

Synelia 07-15-2007 06:20 AM

ewww stone production is so useless in my opinion, but I don't enchant a lot anyways.

rokaraged 07-15-2007 06:24 AM

Just wait...

Anyone notice the big shortage of lucky/blessed refining stones? especially for lvl 2 items..
The demand i predict will SKY ROCKET eventually.


Better get training your stone skills guys, you will be needed. ( i hate spending half a day finding good stones anyway)

Anyway haven't we drifted too far off the subject?

Synelia 07-15-2007 06:35 AM

pure stats basically means purely bad. I mean
pure str you have little hp and evasion, you are just hoping to kill them before they do to you
pure end you have hardly any str, so it'll take a long while to kill..
pure dex little hp and slow kill, though you evade so the hp won't be as fast to go down as pure str
pure int you are basically like a str but relying on your magic to do it
pure str little hp, little aim and evasion, slow killing, a complete bad idea

IMO people who do pure builds don't know how to build their character so the easiest way is to just unload everything into one stat.

Sheapy 07-15-2007 08:32 AM

Pure int will have a bigger impact once stats actually matter. I once forgot I had 5 stat points and when I put them all into INT my m. dmg only raised 2.

Synelia 07-15-2007 04:10 PM

hopefully you're right, but I still think pure stats are kind of stupid >.>

rokaraged 07-15-2007 05:07 PM

pure int for mages if they can keep the distance can be effective though.

Synelia 07-15-2007 05:22 PM

I doubt they can always keep their distance though, I think some END would be a good idea

Rightclaw 07-15-2007 05:25 PM

If they fix that mage AoE, I was thinking of doing something like 2:1 End:Int, and making a guide. :3

Synelia 07-15-2007 05:29 PM

try it :o! I hope it works out

Deaths_Illusion 07-15-2007 09:22 PM

I seriously think u should balance out offense and defense.
Like STR and End. INT and SPR. or sometin.
It would just make more sense and keep you prepared for battles ahead.
U cant rely on just one set of stats.
If u go full STR or offensive then ur screwed when u get hit.
And dont worry, people buy alot of pots ;).
But seriously, u waste waaaaaay more money on stones when u go all str.
As for all DEF. well, lets just look at the facts.
If ur a cleric ur hard to kill but....
UR NOT GOING TO TAKE SH%$ lolz.
SO i think balancing is the best.

Sheapy 07-16-2007 01:50 AM

I don't think I need END that badly. Vit scrolls give plenty of HP enough and with tier 2 scrolls hopefully coming out, that'll probably reduce monster damage to about 50ish. From my stand point, if I can weaken a monster enough to where it only hits me once for 75 damage, it's better than having a monster come up to me and hit me twice for 50 damage.


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