Cash shop items in GW
 

As it became apparent the other day, extender/ 100k hp potion use is becoming prevalent in PVP.

One person who's name i won't mention called me a cheater for borrowing a +9 axe from one of my guildmates yet During the whole fight he had been using an extender and the 100k hp potion. This made 1v1 duels extremely long and boring and took about 3 people to take him down with his cash shop items.

IMO it kinda changes PVP for the worse. Once everyone get's extenders and 100k hp pots battles will take much longer. Clerics' will be LITERALLY be unkillable and it puts non payer players down.


Opinions?....

Get a job? o.O?

Seeing as you can even mail in your money for spark cash orders, anyone can obtain CS items. I know of this 12 year old kid who saved 3 weeks of allowance and got himself $25 worth of spark cash. And he said it only took 4 days for them to receive his payment in the mail from the east coast.

tough cookies, but what can you do?

I can imagine it would be a bitch for people who take GW'ing very seriously.

Personally? Don't really care.

Survival of the fittest =D It seems like most wars aren't fair. There's getting outside healers, outnumbering, ganging up, level difference, spawn killing, etc. Some guilds can spend an hour stocking up and preparing for a war, then surprise declare on another guild that gets 5 minutes to stop what theyre doing and go stock up.
I had someone whispering me, asking me to war Montka cuz apparently you guys were ganging up on them, outnumbering them. I told them I wouldn't do anything since you guys are one of my allies, but if they wanted, I'd talk to you about it.

I'll be using cash shop no doubt, I have my money to spend on this game Its already accepted Cash shoppers will > non payers. I believe you did not get my point across or misread it.

But i'm talking about how cash shop drastically changes PVP to the POINT of utter stupidity when it becomes hard as hell to kill someone because he has so many healing options available.

I know i've also said it dismisses non payers from an aspect of the game but that was not my main concern...

The amount of stones that we can hold by default is unfair. A fighter can hold about 40ish SP stones, when a mage can hold 70ish. Then vice versa with HP stones. Youd; figure it'd be the other way around, cuz if a mage know how to work it, they can use about 3 stones an hour. But since they aggro, you'd figure they'd need a lot of HP stones.

I don't...see your point about this....

Regardless a mage should have a sufficient amount of stones to last a while in PVP concidering

hes got an extender
A cleric
and potions..

Well, you're complaining about it being unfair and burdening that someone will have lets say 50 HP stones, fully stocked up, and then going against someone who can hold 100+(via cash shop). How is that different when a mage who can only hold 40, is going against a fighter who can hold 70?

Wha?...OO
I could return the argument but I don't think i was pointing out to that...

Yes we take our Guild wars seriously...

Btw who was the guild that was asking for your help?....Besides G_g that time..

-.-;; In a nutshell, I was saying it doesn't change things really when it comes to stocks, cuz they were already unequal.

In most of the guild wars i've seen Stone stocks did not effect very much at all unless it was a 1v1 fight
In a properly coordinated attack we've been able to kill groups of 5x players within a few minutes without horribly outnumbering them.


You also have not pointed out how Extenders are countered out.
EXTENDERS also affect things drastically
while hp and sp go up to 200%. DAMAGE DOES NOT, so theres no compensation. To make maters worse the extenders increase how much stones heal too

Btw: yosei who was asking for help against us?

i'm not really sure what the point of pvp is anyway - kinda fun for about two seconds - then you realize - 'hey, maybe this is outspark's way of suckin my mp and hp pots/stones and distracting me from other things that actually benefit my character like quests and exp grinding.'
it'd be nice to be in a guild for all other reasons except guild wars XXXXP

I'm a cleric, so 1v1s have always sucked. I do see Renin's point, though. However, to me, the only way around it is to make sure you set rules for people you 1v1. And if they won't play by rules, then don't GW with them.

WOW we have VERY contrasting viewpoints..


Fiesta PVP. RIP

PvP or GvG should be just killing each other, who cares if they use cash shop items. PvP and GvG doesn't do anything but give you fun of killing.

Oh there is so much you don't understand about me and other people. :D

There are people who like to be competitive and Pvp is one of the few things to express that. Its not that us being serious about it ruins the fun, but it just makes us enjoy something much more because we like it.

Its the same mentality Athletes get whenever they play a sport. May seem funny its concentrated on a video game but we like being driven to be the best.

ANYWAY
Its a shame though to see something that was fun get ruined. I guess few people care about this aspect of the game.

they shouldn't have any cash shop items in the first place then if it seems not fair to people that are into PvP. Like Lineage, it doesn't have any cash shop items and PvP just depends on your items you got and how you use your character

Hm... I can't remember. It was one of my friends.. I want to say DragonSlayer, but I'm not sure o.o

Yeah, I would totally see Renin's point if this game was like Lineage 2, where PVP is a huge part of the game. But the FACT is, Fiesta's pvp aspect is so limited and half-assed right now that I can't help but laugh at people taking it all serious at the moment.

is Renin me?..since in this thread only i mentioned lineage

You've misread the sentence sir.

imo fiesta pvp has always been laughable but then again carebears who think pvp is wrong or think people who take it seriously are wrong make me laugh even harder. Fiesta pvp will basically always be like this Clerics>Everyone else.Especially when the lvl cap is raised and clerics get thier aoe str debuff and I think a magic guard spell. There are quite a few ways to fix the pvp in fiesta actually.1:Fix it where people cant pot/stone through stuns. 2:Make fighters stuns more effective 8 secs * I think thats how it lasts* 8 secs isnt really enough time to drop any class other then mages. 3:Balance the game hell of a lot better

Also so what if people take guildwars seriously they have just as much fun as the people who want to stand around in town all day just so they can take screenies and post them on forums to up thier post counts insanely high. Those *pointless* guildwars as you call them now will matter soon enough. IMO I dont really see how standing in town or doing whatever you like doin in Fiesta is anymore *fun* then a person who likes to guild war. But lol most of you guys ideas of fairness...please wake up this is the real world lower levels getting killed, spawning killing and ganging up will always happen. Stop whining about it and get over it. If you don't like a guilds tactics level up and get better then them.

@Renin o.0 I didnt know you still played Fiesta? And Montka is your guild? hehe maybe I'll come back for murdering spree with you guys. ;) Ive got a few lvl 50+'s on Teva still I think.

IMO that's a pretty stupid move to waste their Cash Shop items for GW... as Omie said, you gain nothing from it in the end.... but if they really want to, nothing stops u from getting CS items too...

@Tequila: Fighter's stun is long enough, thank you very much, i ahte them >< dont make it any longer!! And Cleric =/> all other class, we get owned by fighter's Devestate.

I actually wrote a whole thing about life has never been fair, but then i realise Renin didnt say anything about fair, just makes the GW boring and long coz he cant kill someone. Well if they wanna buy all the cash items to heal themselves then why dont u buy the cash item to increase ur attack power?

Remind me never to GW Montka...

You might find it laughable We care SO MUCH about pvp. But really....

Its the aspect of the game we ENJOY THE MOST...
Some of us aren't nearly as much into the grinding or social aspects (if there is any) as fun. We can always talk to each other in guild. Pvp gives us a reason to level because its much more fun.


Once again I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FAIRNESS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AN ASPECT OF THE GAME THATS PRETTY MUCH GETTING DESTROYED.


For the argument that PVP is not worth caring about....
You may say its half-assed atm.....BUT

GW's are not the only available pvp in the game later on. There are also Pvp rooms as we saw in Closed beta.
If anyone HAS NOTICED. There is a KILL POINT SYSTEM in Fiesta. Undoubtebly there'll be much more features such as i mentioned the PVP rooms. There'll either be a ranking system,reward system or both for them


BTW: Teq your welcome to kill with us anyday :D

Hessah...like I said after the lvl cap is raised and clerics get thier aoe debuff fighters wont bother them ;]. What good is a fighter with debuffed dmg?? pretty much good for nothing :D.Also 8 secs isnt long enough to kill a well built cleric.

@Renin ty Sir i feels the love lol ;].

Of course there will be more to PvP than just gw.

:rolleyes:

Hence WHY U NEVER 1v1 a cleric...

wow, that's just classic. I especially like #3. Good insight there. So basically what your points 1 & 2 say is, Fiesta PVP will be fixed if fighters get buffed? mmhm.

The whole pvp system at the moment revolves around nothing but guild wars. Guild wars that cannot even be declined by the guild who is attacked against. Guild wars that affect the game in no way, since no scores are kept, and nothing is lost or gained during war. (except perhaps time and pots/stones, which means money also.)

Now, even if you had a working GW system that somehow ranked guilds or gave them some rewards to war for, the pvp mechanics are horribly imbalanced. Buffing fighters so they can stun a person and guarantee a kill will not fix it.

What the heck are you going on about here? Seems more like a bitter attack from you against an individual/individuals on here, than an addition to the discussion. Nobody is even talking about "lower levels getting killed" or "spawn killing".

r u sure they'll implement all the stuff u said? kekeke i've just got my doubts about all those cool skills since (apparently) they didnt implement the archer's party buff and our cleric's stun/bleed for our lvl 40 skills...

i guess we'll hv to wait and see!! but i'm no where near the level cap LOL... so i'm just thinking of my near future... :p

Obviously before you posted this you didnt read the whole thread. I read what Yosei posted and responded to it. LOL and also i feel no reason to attack anyone on these forums. Also I did before i posted those tidbits of Info say that were QUITE A FEW WAYs* A few key words for you to focus on* lol other then Renin I dont really consider any of you posting in this thread my equal when it comes to Fiesta pvp knowledge. Also if I was going to attack someone I would use the persons name thats the just the way I am.

Those Skills dont work correctly as far as I remember and Also how do i know those skills will be implemented? Well hrmm i would think they are'nt gonna leave the lvl cap at 59. Since I saw a Gm *namely Kalaan* using the lvl 150 cleric he made in CB to solo a MiniDragon. Outspark maybe late with it but you can bet on them implementing those skills.

Your REALLY missing the point...
In your opinoin it may not be worth caring for atm....
But really...What what's going to happen once the other parts of the pvp system are implimented? If it stays this way, Outspark is best forgetting about adding in pvp rooms and the ranking system.

hahah, somehow I doubt Renin needed your incompetent way of defending him in his thread. Nobody was being hostile in the thread until you opened your trap.

And I don't think very many consider you equal when it comes to just about anything either. Wow, you got to lvl 5x in CB where exp was boosted basically all the time. Good job, where you been after that? Messing around on Apoline?

/wrist ;_;

hmmm sorry kid :rolleyes: dont bother insulting me or trying to. I have a lvl 5x Character on Teva.Hmmm I also have 2 or was it 3 lvl 5x characters on Apoline. But then again you dont even know me. You may know of me but meh alot of people know of me. o.0 sure I got 5x in CB and xp wasnt boosted the xp amounts were different but either way i was only lvl 40ish at the end of CB. Got lvl 5X onthe same xp system you guys are using now. Now what have you have done? Other then try getting with another girl on the internet oh wait you did. Also you lead some nonfactor guild called Symphony lol thats pretty nice to. Me defend Renin? lol never I think he does a pretty good job making you people look rather stupid on his own.:D GG Teq out Time to go out for icecream something I dont really think you and O-mie will doing for a long time. Internet Romance lawl.

Hey Teq.

How do you retire and play and the same time?


Oh and bringing up shit that has nothing to do with this is just plain fucking rude.

personal attacks? u're getting WAY off topic Teq...

It's okay, poor Tequila is sad. :( Let him go have an icecream and cheer up a bit.

If you think going into personal stuff like that is going to insult me when it comes from someone like you, you're sorely mistaken.