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Shoy 07-02-2007 02:37 AM

Full Dex or Spr(Good or Bad?)
 
Im a lvl 20 archer and i went full dex, i dont have a problem hunting cause i can combo skills back to back (and i've been decreasing the cooldowns for them). i also thought about making a Full spr when OB comes out, since being u can crit skills, im not sure if u can miss crits(need to find this out).
also the extra sp would come in handy since i spam skills like no 2morrow xD. would he be as powerful as a full str archer?

chinhchinh 07-02-2007 03:23 AM

Archer's do not need DEX. Dex only accounts for aim and evasion, which aren't as important as the other stats. You get sufficient DEX from leveling itself so you will hardly miss. You can try full SPR or STR, though you need to be at least level 30 to see and real change in crit.

Shoy 07-02-2007 05:18 AM

i see, well its worth a shot. think ill test it out before they close the game =P

h4v0c 07-03-2007 03:36 PM

archers dont need dex=X

str make for the dmg of the bow

spr archer.. yes i also tried it.. but not high enough to make conclusions about it
this build can crit alot. can also hurt real bad holding a crossbow

Kiedo 07-04-2007 05:44 AM

I went full DEX on mine..

I evade at least half of the hits from monsters around my level but it takes forever to kill them.

Kitager 07-13-2007 04:39 AM

I'm going with END and SPR, and I'll see how that works until level 20...

Triumph 07-14-2007 04:37 PM

I went 1:1 STR/DEX, worked decently for me.

Whudafux 07-14-2007 09:54 PM

There's no real reason to put in DEX seeing as you gain a ton per level. STR:END in some ratio is probably better.

Maybe a 3:1 STR:END or something.

Synelia 07-15-2007 02:17 AM

we are archers, sure we get added dex a lvl but i wonder how effective it is just to depend on the bare minimum for dex.

KY_Jelly 07-29-2007 09:39 PM

end isn't too important for archers, as the point of the archer is to kill the enemy in 5 hits or less so you take no damage, or at most 1 hit. SOME dex is necessary, although i dont agree with all the people with dex intensive builds. enough to ensure that most shots hit and you will dodge that first hit with some consistancy is all one should need i would think.

It will make lower levels a bit tougher to get through, but about by the time you get to level 20ish, if you are piling up on Spr and Str, then using skill points to lower cooldown and SP consumption of 1 or 2 key specials, you would be a pretty beastish archer. spamming aimed shot and getting a crit every other shot would have a lot of potential to dominate.

my current build is all messed up, but when open beta starts, i'm gonna go 2:2:1 str:spr:dex, see how that works out for me.

Sheapy 07-29-2007 11:02 PM

End is kinda needed for archers since they kill monsters by speed, not by power (Mages). I don't think that they also need Dex since they get enough through leveling and some buffs (They get dex from buffs right)

a 1:2 Str/Spr build sounds good to me since high crit rate sounds appropriate for archers

JimJimster 07-30-2007 03:57 AM

im lvl 16 archer and i hav 6:10 dex:end

i just kinda randomly put it either of the skills but i must say ive seen a high lvl archer with full end block about half of the attacks of a mage in a free battle zone

i can do really short tanks for the parties i do with my friend, hes a lower level so i just do the auto attack while he kills watever monster and we usually fight yellow monsters

i suggest full end but thats just me

KY_Jelly 07-30-2007 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheapy (Post 9528)
End is kinda needed for archers since they kill monsters by speed, not by power (Mages). I don't think that they also need Dex since they get enough through leveling and some buffs (They get dex from buffs right)

a 1:2 Str/Spr build sounds good to me since high crit rate sounds appropriate for archers

if your archer kills the mob before he can get more than 1 or 2 hits on you and your evasion is high enough that you dodge a consistant amount of shots, whats the point of the extra HP and def?

Niion 07-30-2007 06:32 AM

I have a pure str lvl 17, and it does decently <<

Blaaaaaaaah 07-30-2007 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheapy (Post 9528)
a 1:2 Str/Spr build sounds good to me since high crit rate sounds appropriate for archers

I don't remember the exact ratio I had on my archer, but I put stats in only STR and SPR, and I don't think it does too well. It doesn't have enough SPR to crit significantly and it doesn't have enough STR to do enough damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KY_Jelly (Post 9610)
if your archer kills the mob before he can get more than 1 or 2 hits on you and your evasion is high enough that you dodge a consistant amount of shots, whats the point of the extra HP and def?

I reckon it would be hard for archers to kill before the monster reaches him. Even mages, who deals a great a mount of damage, have to tank one or two hits sometimes. So they would need the END.

KY_Jelly 07-30-2007 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 9622)
I reckon it would be hard for archers to kill before the monster reaches him. Even mages, who deals a great a mount of damage, have to tank one or two hits sometimes. So they would need the END.

gotten 2 archers to 20+ now and i have no problem with it. even monsters equal and a bit higher than your level can be taken if you spam skills. and with an SPR intensive build (which i've tried to show my reasoning for one) you can spam skills pretty easy.

average monster speed, an archer can get 4 shots in before mob can attack (obviously less with ranged mobs) and as early as level 17, archers have 4 skills. so worst comes to worst, you can throw 4 skills at a higher level mob and bring it down before it touches you. sure you will use more SP pots/stones that way, but you should cut the amount of HP pots and stones you use down by a significant number.

OdioOmnus 08-13-2007 12:42 AM

I've been making a SPR archer, and I have to say even at a level as low as 9 it seems to be relatively effective. I can often kill most reasonable enemies before they hit me, and with my defense scroll surplus from my cleric even if they do it's not for much damage. Already I have a decent critrate which should only improve, and I have plenty of SP for my skills; the cooldown is more of a factor in levelling than the SP cost.

Daghian 08-13-2007 02:01 AM

1-29
Str:Dex:End
2:2:1

30+
Str:Dex:Spr
2:2:1

Best build right thurrr hehe

Loveless 08-14-2007 03:03 AM

I've tried the STR:END buid and it did quite decently. I was able to take on monsters higher than me and not worry too much about getting hit either.

Right now I'm going full SPR and have to say I like it so far. I mean if you use the skills right you can take down monsters without using all of the skills (if that makes sense). I can't wait to get my job change and try a crossbow and see how things work out then. I usually choose bows cause I like speed and whatnot but I'm going to need some added power anyway so yeah~

bcdood 08-14-2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daghian (Post 11854)
1-29
Str: Dex: End
2:2:1

30+
Str: Dex: Spr
2:2:1

Best build right thurrr hehe

Yeah, I like that build too. It's pretty kickass for solo and groups. Also does decent in PVP

bcdood 08-14-2007 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loveless (Post 11987)
I've tried the STR:END buid and it did quite decently. I was able to take on monsters higher than me and not worry too much about getting hit either.

Right now I'm going full SPR and have to say I like it so far. I mean if you use the skills right you can take down monsters without using all of the skills (if that makes sense). I can't wait to get my job change and try a crossbow and see how things work out then. I usually choose bows cause I like speed and whatnot but I'm going to need some added power anyway so yeah~

I've seen you ingame a couple times. My name is bcdood if you ever see me.

Dynamics 08-17-2007 02:07 AM

Full spirit's probably the most viable build for the archer. The archer was meant to deal damage from afar, and spirit maximises your output more than any other stat. As you increase your critical rate, you increase the frequency of your criticals. If you land one critical during a clash, you've already outclassed the damage you would have dealt from strength bonuses. Strength increases damage consistently, yes, but criticals increase damage much more drastically. I'd draw the graph to explain this, but I don't think it's necessary.

Strength gives you damage in a linear way. It's just a straight line. With criticals, your damage works like a "bell shaped graph." Your damage will deviate between high and low, where the medium changes depending on your critical rate. The higher your critical rate, the more skewed that medium becomes, meaning more consistent "highs." Anyway, spirit increases damage much much more effectively then strength does. Strength becomes obsolete in the higher levels as your weapons and natural stat gains give you 1000 + damages. I don't know how many times I can stress this, but strength really is a worthless stat at the moment.

Endurance on an archer is crazy talk too. Archers don't benefit from the block bonus that endurance gives, and the bonus HP is negligible. If you really want an archer that can tank effectively, then pure dexterity is the best path for this. Obscene amounts of evasion mean you extend your eHP phenomenally. If the enemy uses a power scroll, rip out your evasion scroll, they're basically stuck at square one again.

To sum up, strength and endurance aren't practical stats for an archer. Spirit and dexterity are most advised.

I_GO_BOOM 08-17-2007 08:53 PM

SPR is better in the long run for lets say 30+ while strength gives easy leveling for 1-20 but enchanting items will also give the same bonus as strength AND you also get an additional 2-3 dmg per lvl. Dex infact does increase evasion by ALOT just not early on but END you will see the change as soon as you add the stat. So basically DEX and SPR will work better than a STR END build because of the fact the stats become useless as you get more than enough of each stat from scrolls, armour, wepons, and pets.

Bao 08-18-2007 02:04 AM

Take it from me when I said I screwed up my stats by putting them into END/STR.

Go for DEX/SPR. 2:1/1:1

Rightclaw 08-18-2007 02:40 AM

There's a recommended build in the jFiesta wiki. It says STR/DEX.

http://translate.google.com/translat...%3Den%26sa%3DG

Last build on the page is the recommended build if I'm understanding the translations correctly.

JimJimster 08-18-2007 04:05 AM

i honestly dont get str at all, im END DEX guy, id rather hav better chance of hitting than hitting higher. and STR DEX is good if u hav a good cleric with u 24/7 but horrible for solo

20 END points helps a lot, 10 DEX halps a bit. its wat i hav

DutchBow 10-01-2007 07:29 PM

Full STR is the best build for archer ^^

Yami 10-03-2007 10:24 AM

ZOMG! Nederlander! *rent weg*

Anyways, I have a 3:1 str/end archer and a 2:1 spr/dex and I noticed the first one is a lot easier to lvl.

Ucanius 10-07-2007 10:15 PM

RE:
 
Hope this might be of help, consolidated lotsa info regarding archer class. Feedback welcome :) http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15095


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