[FiestaFan]Some light shed on multi clienting.
 

The GM known as Steam (GM_Steam on the official forums) has recently shed some light on this issue that is so heavily debated in FiestaFan. His verdict:

There you have it folks. I will be updating the forum rules with this new information shortly.

EDIT: OK rules have been updated.

It still doesn't stop people from doing it, or provide a way to check if someone IS doing it.

No it doesn't, however its highly advisable not to. You do it at your own risk.

So there's a rule somewhere that says 1 person cannot have more than 1 account? (ccb to read ToS)

I think they mean no one can be playing on two accounts at the same time.

It'll be very harsh if they don't let you have multiple accounts (provided that you're not playing on two at the same time) because some people may like to create and play more than four characters.

I wonder if playing two clients at once on one computer is the same as playing two clients on separate computers. What if my brother was playing Fiesta with me o: If they track it down and find two IPs playing at the same time, how would they know if it's from the same computer or not? Hms.

Yeap, we asked about that too.

Siblings playing on two different computers is completely fine - how would they tell if it's one or two people playing? I guess we all know the answer to that.

Having two clients on one computer is different - because I guess it's kinda hard for two people to be playing on that one computer. D:

It's a bit ambiguous, really... but playing on two or more accounts at the same time is a bannable offense, I guess.

Hum. I see. Yeah, ambiguous.

I've always been agianst duel clienting
But really...How are they going to stop it? ><;;

The big question that will continue to remain unanswered. I guess. 8D

Okay, I need clarification. Because I have three computers in my house, and at any given time, we can have all three computers running, and all three will be playing Fiesta. For example - I am playing on my account, my son is playing on his account, and I have a third account that is vending on my third computer. However, this third computer could actually have another person in my household playing on it, it is not just for vending. So am I bannable?

Edit: I just went back and reread GM Steam's comment. It looks like he is saying you can have multiple accounts, because of the words "Dual users". However, you can not have multiple accounts running on the same computer at the same time. But, again how would they know? If all three of my computers are using the same IP?
Besides, I have enough time keeping my little girl alive with nothing else going on. How in the world does one play two accounts at the same time????

This is where the confusion begins.

If you, just yourself, is playing on two accounts at the same time, then it is bannable, but the problem is - how will the check it? We do not know.

It's just like how me and my sister plays - on two computers, two different people. This is perfectly fine. Thing is, I'm not sure how they will be able to check whether it's one person playing or two people playing - this is something that will require them to get a plane ticket and fly over to your house to check. :rolleyes:

Anyway, the point of the announcement was to say that posting a method on how to multi-client is not allowed on FiestaFan, but general discussions (e.g. debates on whether it should or should not be allowed) is okay.

That is all there is to it.

Hee hee!! They could come to my house and check. After seeing my 4 kids, my 1 hubby, my 5 dogs, 5 cats, and how chaotic my household is, they would probably tell me I could move to California and live with them, so I could play Fiesta uninterrupted. I don't think they would make it through my front door.
But, back on topic. kk, I was just wondering, they would have a difficult time verifying that there is not more than one user in the house. I wonder if they can look at something from your computer other than your IP? Because in the ToS, it says that there are some files that their programs look at - or something like that.

I guess a way to find out is you got the other account on auto-follow. Or they may send a whisper and stalk you for a while and deduce that you're duo'ing.

EDIT

It'll be nice if he would say 1 account per body or the likes :p We know you're lurking so say something :)

Well the easiest way to see if someone is dual clienting would be to message them. I say this because(coming from my experiences) it would be somewhat hard to carry two different conversations as two different people to the same person. Unless the person is some kind of super nerd and does that for a living lol. But thats just my insight

There are some people out there that can IM with multiple people at a time. It's crazy i tell ya!

The problem with that is, I have ordered my son not to talk to anyone in game. So if they try to start a conversation with him, he will not respond. He also took all of his quickbars and expanded them all up, so to cover up the chat box, so he wouldn't even know if anyone was talking to him or not, lol. And when I have a vendor sete up on my 3rd. computer, then I am not in front of it to see chat. I am playing on my computer which is in another room.

ok me and my girlfriend play the game and we have 2 comps in same room it is ok for us to be playing that way correct??? she goes afk alot and then just follows me so she dont lose me and ppl have yelled at me in game for it but she is a mage and she just follows me then she comes back and makes my damage look like crap all over again lol. i just want to make sure im not breaking any rules. like she should log off if she is going afk for like 10 min or whatever???:confused:

As far as the comment that the GM made concerns.. he didnt say anything about running more than 1 game with 1 IP.. just running 2 clients on 1 computer is bannable.

So i'm sure that's fine!

i would've thought the main reason for not allowing two client on 1 computer its coz the game isnt designed to do that...

It takes an insane amount of system resources to run multiple clients.

So I've heard.

The way I see it, the same person running multiple accounts, whether it be on the same computer or different computers, is bannable. So technically, what Spirit (vending account on the third computer) is bannable. However, her son playing on the second computer is not bannable.

ah sry i re-read the msg... "running multiple accounts is not allowed" - assuming he means for 1 person..

So even 1 person running two game on two separate computer is not allowed.

OK agree with Nav...

Then... does that imply 1 person should only have 1 account? Or it's OK to have more than 1 account, as long as we dont play them at the same time?

Yeah, I sent him a second PM afterwards, but I didn't add it to the announcement, but here it is, and his reply:

It reinforces what I said in my previous post.

Yeah ok so basically... 1 account per person.... kekeke

Well if thats the case then how come we (people) cant make more than four characters per account.
That limit is the only reason i would be inclined to make another account.
I have a char for each class and say i want to try another mage, with a different build or somthing, im not going to delete one of my other characters.

No no.

We are not limited one account per person.

However, we are limited to only playing one account at a time.

See the difference there?

Well, my third account is not just for vending. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the account is also used for when someone else in my house of 6 wants to play. :) So, althouth I do use it for vending, that is not the sole purpose of the account. It has 4 characters on it, all at various levels, depending on how much other people play there characters. So I should be good.

Would this not be account sharing though?

Hmmm.... good point. But, they said one person cannot have mutiple accounts, not multiple people having one account. But, it still goes back to it would be a hard issue to prove. If my four kids all have one character on one account, how could that be bannable or proved. I think they should be more concerned about getting rid of the spammers, bots, and macros user, than whether or not people putting money into the cash shop have more than one account, as long as they are not running those multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time.

Yeah... as the mods said before, this is to clarify that, even though they may not be able to prove it, it's still bannable. This is to stop people posting methods on how to do dual accounts on 1 computer.

And this is like any other rule/law/regulation... if you drink drive, but you didnt get caught, you're still free of trouble. But if they do catch you, in one way or another, you've broken the law and they can arrest you.

So I reckon if they do happen to find people abusing this rule, the GMs have all the right to ban them.

Correct.

Hey guys :) Nice threat, a real good idea speaking about it.

You ever played Myth War? It´s a game from IGG (see my signature left side).
There you always find alts (multi logged chars) and you want to know something? Why should game makers care? In real, there´s no reason!
In Myth War this should be a bigger problem bc battel is time-based and so handling 2-3 accounts gives ya a big help but in Fiesta?
What shall be wrong about it? If player make parties with 2 accounts, it´s their problem how to handel them. (Believe me, they die really fast)
Even team-exp is really bad in this game so why the hell is multi logg in against the law in this game? It´s foolish, isn´t it? Oo

I really think that Outspark always care about the wrong problems! At first they have to have a damn GM to ban these bots standing in the cites, destroying game with their spam posts! After this they can care about the second logging in problem ....
(By the way, in really much situations u can find out if someone is a multi-logged player or not: A name like 'NffffSa' shows it really easy...)

At last: They only ways they can find out multi-loggings are illegal...

True, but rules are still rules. GM_Steam states no 1 person can have more than 1 account and no 1 account can have more than 1 person. It's so easy to get an account, really.

So I need 6 accounts?????????? One for each person in my family for when they want to play??????? I would rather have more than one kid playing on one account than have 6 accounts. Besides, they will grow tired of it after a few months or so, and then there would be several accounts just sitting there doing nothing. Oh well. Like you said, rules are rules. I will tell my kids they have to delete their characters and I will create more accounts so that each person as one account. :(

Terms of Service Quote
 

2. Permit any other person (including but not limited to a former user whose account OUTSPARK has terminated) to access any OUTSPARK Game, or create or provide any other means through which the OUTSPARK Games may be played by anyone besides you (e.g., through server emulators);

I'm sorry guys, that portion has been in there even before the Terms of Service were revised to be more expansive and specific.

Can someone translate this to non-legal non-binding non-whatever plain old english?

I haven't been banned yet. I am just trying to figure out what is the right thing to do so that I will not be banned. I would be ever-so sad if I could not play Fiesta. I want to do the right thing, because I am not one for breaking rules. I don't see why my kids cannot share an account, but if it is against the rules for more than one person to play an account, then I need to create them seperate accounts.
And I do not even know what a server emulator is, eek.
So basically, from what I have gathered, my kids cannot share an account. They should all have their seperate accounts.

Basically make sure its only you using the account. No one else.

Don't create private servers, don't let other people use your account, don't let anyone else have access to your forum name etc. Basically it is you on the account. Also Spirit, I am technically not saying this, so please guys, don't go crazy quoting it. In the case of your kids playing on your account. Your children are probably under the age of Majority wherever you live. In that situation it requires a parent to create the account and monitor their child's behavior on it.
So your kids playing on your account is not only fine, but part of the rules to do so.
Does that make any sense? I just woke up.

Yes, that makes sense. I just didn't want to get into trouble. I will leave everything like it is.