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Lirange 01-16-2010 05:06 PM

Vote for LoL
 
http://contest.mmosite.com/gameprize...pe=2#tip_title
Even if you don't play itxD

01-16-2010 05:09 PM

i wanna play that game so bad but im comp died -.-

Ivramire 01-16-2010 07:14 PM

Didn't we already get the skin/ they're debating giving everyone free Corki?

Lirange 01-16-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivramire (Post 399207)
Didn't we already get the skin/ they're debating giving everyone free Corki?

UGGGGGGGH. That makes me mad.

Destrus 01-16-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399209)
UGGGGGGGH. That makes me mad.

lol. wel i say no to the giving corki thing since they said the can't do refunds to people

Lirange 01-16-2010 07:58 PM

I kept on debating for him to not be given away for free but people just don't seem to understand -_-
Honestly, I don't know what's wrong with just giving the skin like they promised and only that.

Ralath 01-16-2010 08:55 PM

Well. I voted yes. :>

Jikanu 01-16-2010 09:58 PM

I think the best course of action is 6.3k IP for all, along with the skin. Lirange thinks that makes me selfish, though @_@

Lirange 01-16-2010 10:11 PM

No, I think what makes you selfish that you don't think just giving the skin like they promised is enough.

Ralath 01-16-2010 10:36 PM

If they're offering it to you, then it'd be silly not to take it.

Lirange 01-16-2010 10:49 PM

Then everyone who bought corki and worked hard for that 6300 ip (or rp) just got screwed over.

Jikanu 01-16-2010 11:30 PM

Ralath speaks truth. v.v

However, the truth of the matter is thus: If they give out the skins alone, those without corki who voted will feel unrewarded. if they give out corki and the skin, those with corki will feel jipped. if they give out 6.3k IP with the skin, everyone wins.

Lirange 01-16-2010 11:33 PM

I think the best solution posted so far is to make corki availbe for free for everyone for 2-3 weeks, that way everyone has a chance to play with him in his skin.l

Jikanu 01-16-2010 11:34 PM

i still dont see the problem with the 6.3k IP idea...

Lirange 01-16-2010 11:40 PM

Well I prefer that option over giving corki free, but I just don't like as much as the other ideas it because it gives 6.3k ip to people that doesn't really deserve it. I like that idea, I just prefer other options.

Jikanu 01-16-2010 11:52 PM

but it gives 6.3k ip to people who DO deserve it too. Like you or me. You could get 2 shacos with that, or a twitch, or whatever. it would be really fun. so i support it massively v.v

Lirange 01-16-2010 11:58 PM

Well if the end up going with that I'll be happy I guess. Riot's been pretty quiet even though that thread has a lot of posts.

Jikanu 01-17-2010 12:19 AM

LoL lost... by a lot. that other game got a huge amount of votes. x.x

Lirange 01-17-2010 12:41 AM

I think it's because HoN made an announcement to tell people to vote for it and LoL didn't

Ralath 01-17-2010 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399264)
Well I prefer that option over giving corki free, but I just don't like as much as the other ideas it because it gives 6.3k ip to people that doesn't really deserve it. I like that idea, I just prefer other options.

But if this were any other champion that they didn't have, then I bet that this would have been a champion that they would have wanted for free.

At any rate, it's a sunk cost for them--they already spent this money and they are not getting it back. Whether or not Corki is given away for free or not doesn't even affect them.

Lirange 01-17-2010 04:50 PM

If corki is given away for free then they all pretty much got ripped off. If I known corki was going to be given away for free I wouldn't have been saving up for him for so long and instead buy other champions or runes.

Leesa 01-17-2010 05:39 PM

I really don't even see the problem with skin alone =_= Its a reward for the game, they don't even need to make a prize, besides with the LoL community how it is now most don't even deserve anything even if they won.

Ralath 01-17-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399319)
If corki is given away for free then they all pretty much got ripped off. If I known corki was going to be given away for free I wouldn't have been saving up for him for so long and instead buy other champions or runes.

But the decision whether to give Corki away for free right now doesn't change the fact that they already spent their 6315 IP points or whatever. They've already spent this--they are not getting it back either way. And they aren't really affected by this decision either way.

Ivramire 01-17-2010 07:41 PM

Okay, points against giving Corki away for free:

-it's 'unfair' to the people who saved the IP/RP to get him
-it'll affect (negatively) the meta-game (whatever that means...?) What would the effect be of making a champ like Corki freely available? A Corki or two in every game you play from now on?


Points for it:
-Corki's a great champ
-it's one more champion unlocked every rotation. Little more variety I suppose.
-it's FREE!!!


On one hand is giving only the Corki skin as promised, on the other side is giving 6.3k IP to everyone + the skin. Just slightly less extreme is giving Corki and skin. Not owning Corki myself, I do see how it could suck for people who actually bought him, on the other hand, they're not really affected in any way.


Maybe a middle solution would be giving the skin and making Corki available for a reduced price (half?) for a while? Giving 6.3 IP to people frankly sounds like a terrible idea.


On an unrelated note: Malphite is the shiz.

MikeyG 01-18-2010 03:27 AM

I had to vote for HoN xDD

Destrus 01-18-2010 03:51 AM

the more i think about it the less i want everyone to have corki. if everyone has him there's more of a chance i'll end up having to go against him or race someone to picking him :x

Lirange 01-18-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 399325)
But the decision whether to give Corki away for free right now doesn't change the fact that they already spent their 6315 IP points or whatever. They've already spent this--they are not getting it back either way. And they aren't really affected by this decision either way.

Everyone who bought him just got screwed over. We had to work hard for it so should everyone else, that's how it affects us. I really don't see the harm in just not giving him away for free. Who does it affect? No one..

Ralath 01-18-2010 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399416)
Everyone who bought him just got screwed over. We had to work hard for it so should everyone else, that's how it affects us. I really don't see the harm in just not giving him away for free. Who does it affect? No one..

Ok. Let's make this example about money.

Let's say everybody has a bank account. Some people have $1, some people have $2, some people have $3... etc. Some people even have $10.

One day, the bank says that they will give everybody enough money so that everybody has $10.

If the bank does decide to do this, how does this "screw over" the people who already have $10? It doesn't.

However, if the bank doesn't give away this money, who does this hurt? It hurts the people who don't already have the $10 in their bank accounts because they didn't get this extra money that was being given away for free. It's an opportunity cost.

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I think the issue here isn't so much that Corki is being given away free but rather that there's a jealousy/grudge issue here. It's a pretty well-documented phenomenon and I would quote you the literature if I had it readily available.

Here's another (albeit extreme) example.

Some people have food, some people don't.

There's free food available. Why should the people with food say that the people without food shouldn't get this food?

Lirange 01-18-2010 07:48 AM

That's not really an accurate example. An accurate example would be this:
You and your 3 siblings get money from your mom from doing things around the house. You each get different amounts of money since you each spend different amounts of time doing work. Now lets say 100 ip is like a dollar. Now it takes you about 2 weeks or maybe more to get 63dollars. Now lets say you've been saving up for 2 weeks to get 63 dollars when your other siblings just spend it on whatever or save it up or whatever. Now lets say you bought a 63 dollar phone. A few days later your mom decides to give everyone who doesn't already have one the same phone. Wouldn't you feel like you got ripped off and wouldn't you want your siblings to have to work for that phone instead of just it being given away?

Destrus 01-18-2010 07:58 AM

i think ralath is talking about the idea of giving everyone 6.3k ip and lirange is talking about the idea of just giving everyone corki.

Ralath 01-18-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399423)
That's not really an accurate example. An accurate example would be this:
You and your 3 siblings get money from your mom from doing things around the house. You each get different amounts of money since you each spend different amounts of time doing work. Now lets say 100 ip is like a dollar. Now it takes you about 2 weeks or maybe more to get 63dollars. Now lets say you've been saving up for 2 weeks to get 63 dollars when your other siblings just spend it on whatever or save it up or whatever. Now lets say you bought a 63 dollar phone. A few days later your mom decides to give everyone who doesn't already have one the same phone. Wouldn't you feel like you got ripped off and wouldn't you want your siblings to have to work for that phone instead of just it being given away?

I don't really see any significant differences between the examples I gave and your example...

Economically speaking, this is totally destructive behavior. You are destroying total net value because of your "grudge." It really doesn't affect you either way whether your siblings get a free phone or not. The money you've spent on the phone is a sunk cost--you're not getting that money back either way.

Now... is this "fair?" I think that's a completely different question and totally subjective at that.

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Originally Posted by Destrus (Post 399428)
i think ralath is talking about the idea of giving everyone 6.3k ip and lirange is talking about the idea of just giving everyone corki.

It's essentially the same concept.

Lirange 01-18-2010 08:31 AM

I wouldn't call it a grudge more like i'm just mad or think it's unfair. We pretty much wasted the time and efforts into corki when everyone is getting him by just doing nothing. I'd rather make it fair and have them work for it. And if your going to play that "life isn't unfair" thing, then yes I know, but we have a voice and riot will listen to us which is why they made the topic so we'll do anything we can to persuade them into not giving him free. And really, what's wrong with just giving the skin to everyone like the promised? Just the skin. Or have corki in the rotation for 2-3 weeks after the skin is released.

Let's put this in your perceptive. Let's say teemo cost 6300 ip. You've been saving up for teemo for a while. Your a casual player so it'll probably take you two weeks or more to gain that ip. Then you bought him, shortly after everyone is getting a free teemo skin and the champion itself, wouldn't you be mad and not want that to happen? Or would you not care?

Leesa 01-18-2010 03:53 PM

Not only that, its corki, with the horrible ass MM now and nubs everywhere, he isn't really an easy champ.

I mean if that happened with twitch it might even make me quit hehe...

Ralath 01-18-2010 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lirange (Post 399439)
Let's put this in your perceptive. Let's say teemo cost 6300 ip. You've been saving up for teemo for a while. Your a casual player so it'll probably take you two weeks or more to gain that ip. Then you bought him, shortly after everyone is getting a free teemo skin and the champion itself, wouldn't you be mad and not want that to happen? Or would you not care?

I really don't think I would care too much either way. Yeah, maybe I would be a little irritated at Riot for not doing it sooner, but since I already spent the IP and there's no way to get it back, it really doesn't matter to me whether they give out a free Teemo or not.

Hraesvelg 01-18-2010 11:17 PM

I can see why people wouldn't want Corki given out. It dilutes the rarity of the item they invested in, thus reducing at least perceived value.

Lirange 01-19-2010 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 399479)
I really don't think I would care too much either way. Yeah, maybe I would be a little irritated at Riot for not doing it sooner, but since I already spent the IP and there's no way to get it back, it really doesn't matter to me whether they give out a free Teemo or not.

So if there was a poll you would vote for teemo to be given out away for free?

Ralath 01-19-2010 04:13 AM

Yeah. For sure.

Lirange 01-20-2010 01:25 AM

Two threads closed in a row. =[

Ralath 01-20-2010 01:27 AM

?

Lirange 01-20-2010 01:29 AM

I made a post on why I think sc2 will end LoL and other games, people didn't like it so it got closed due to too many thumbs down. Then I made a thread titles"-4 enough to close a thread? Really?" they didn't like it either so it got closed due to the same reason.


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