i think clerics are overpowered.
 

period.
but im not complaining XD

Hmm... i don feel that way...

Well... I disagree then? o_O

How so?

i agree, but i am not complaining either.

I have to disagree....seeing how every class can out damage us completly...

I agree, but I'm also not complaining.

I think I would have to disagree. I can't ever remember anybody tell a cleric to stop healing them or please don't give me a buff. For me as a fighter those 'overpowered clerics' are my best friends.

disagree i thought the same about clerics myself, and made one turns out they kill really slow... but conserve alot of pots thats about it... but in the long run everyone has to party to level anyways

Depends on how u look at it. Some clerics add lots to str so they deal mighty dmg. Others add lots to END and just won't die. xD Shall not comment on those who add everything to SPR.

Clerics are tough (with heal and all), but we are not strong.

So there's a up side and a down side.

Conclusion: I dont think we're overpowered. =D

Who can kill you?

nah im a lvl 32 cleric and its still slow to kill things i mean yea we can heal but we cant deal any dmg not even if we add str

what other class can solo at your level? what other class requires 2 people to kill in pvp?

at least soloing is still an option at 32. For some builds in other classes, it's no longer economically viable.

Fireriot came close in CB. I've only died when it I was stunned and it was 10v1, and that was only twice. Monster deaths only happen for me in KQ's or dungeon bosses, no one else.

Conclusion:

Fighters are meat shields.
Clerics are invincible.
Archers are annoyingly hard to hit.
Mages are nukes.

All class can solo at my level. They just need to bring enough stones / Pots.

What class can a cleric kill on a 1v1? We do dmg at such a slow rate they have plenty of time to pot.

No there not ._.

I guess it all depends on what type of build you go...

But I think a fighter has the potential of killing a cleric 1v1 pretty easily with all the stuns. Cleric's weakness = stun, providing that both parties of the dual will not pot.

Edit:
And you left out the question:

Who can we kill?

When you pvp and say "no pots", can the clerics still heal?

Uh, yeah, I assume so. Healing = skill. Pot isn't.

But I don't know, I haven't pvp'ed with much fighters properly that's at the same level as me before. I don't think I've ever pvp'ed anyone properly since OB.

yeah i choose to opt out of a 1v1 (unless its a fist fight) coz i choose to see myself as a support class XD

Its like.. asking a medic to fight instead of teh army~

^ Yeah, a cleric 1v1 is really boring. T-T"

But you know, I think it would be a slightly different story for a STR build cleric. I think there was a bit of difference when I pvp'ed in CB with a STR-ish build but now I don't know if I'm just imagining things or not since it's so long ago.

If they make Trip and Bleed a skill with side effects (Stunned or periodic dmg)

i think it'll make us cleric a lot more fun to pvp XD

granted getting close to them can be a hassle, those squishies dont like getting bashed.

and lets say it's 2v2. cleric + any 1 other class vs. 2 non cleric classes.

cleric team wins. the two have to gang there cleric if they have any chance at killing him, and while they are doing that, the teammate has free reign over those poor little guys. Or if they dont gang the cleric, they are essentially fighting two invincible people since the cleric will be more than capable to heal himself and his teammate.

if and when battle arena comes out and if we can do 2v2 pvp, I'm going to bet that cleric fighter combos will rule over it.

Not quite Mr Pedobear..

All you need is a Fighter in the non-cleric team, and a mage on the cleric time to kill the Cleric team.

Fighter stun Cleric, then gang on the Mage.. mage goes down in like 3 sec.. cleric still stunned... 2v1 on the cleric... wont be long till the cleric waste all their pots healing themselves but not doing ANY dmg...

So you may not kill the cleric.. but the cleric isnt gonna kill you either.

But pedo was talking about a cleric + fighter combo, not a cleric + mage combo.

I think the other way works though.

Cleric + fighter vs fighter + mage/archer (a dpser)

Fighters can stun each other, but the mage/archer can be nuking from far away, meaning they would be unaffected by the stun. Now the damage dealer can nonstop nuke the cleric/fighter. One down, one to go.

Only problem is that if the cleric starts off being far away as well (from just healing), then the cleric will also be unaffected by stun. Then the cleric may cast invincible on the fighter and heal him/herself while the mage nukes. OR the cleric might start charging at the mage/archer and that mage/archer will have to start running for their life... or "kite" the cleric.

There are so many possible outcomes. D: But with the right tactics, I don't think a fighter + cleric combo will be invincible.

He just said Cleric + any other class.. so i picked a combo where his theory wont work LOL

yeah if its Cleric + fighter then they'll probably last longer.

Was the cleric AFK? XD jkjk

Funny how Pedobear and us are all clerics.. but some of us choose to say Clerics arent overpowering and some of us thinks we are...

i would've thought ppl that are non-cleric would think that clerics are overpowering just coz our heal annoys the crap out of them.

LOL.

@MR: Yeah, it's possible, but I must say that must be one hell of a crappy cleric. Seriously. Got killed by someone 8 levels lower than them? D: Clerics are supposed to make it hard for people their OWN level to kill them. =/

^ Yeah I was thinking of that too... and i would've thought a mage 8 lvls under me would miss me a lot... (or any other class 8 lvls under me for that matter)

yeah, i thought more non clerics would be complaining (i guess they stay out of our area)

Honestly though, i wouldn't mind a minor nerf. I don't know what that nerf would be, but hey i'm not a game dev so thats not my job right?

i do recognize that clerics cant be changed too much because that would greatly hinder the survivability of a party.

NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not really.
Really clerics are just overpowered in 1v1 situations. Which usually NEVER happens in a full fleged guild war. Only a really lucky fighter can kill a cleric 1v1 with stuns.


While in gvg 4 clerics will be extremely hard to take out...they won't be able to kill anything.

4 fighters properly coordinated will beat 4 clerics anyday.....

agreed with rokaraged, cleric are hard to kill but not hard to supress, just stun them and kill the rest b4 the stun worns out, so they lived..but hey they lost the war

Clerics are overpowered.

I'm a cleric, and I can say they're overpowered.

Now how? As everyone asks.

Simple: Clerics "abusable" healing spells allow them to spend little or no money on HP Pots. By empowering the reduced SP Consumption on Heal, the clerics get to reduce the cost by half (on like the first 3 or 4 heals.) This is rediculously good.

So, combined with not needing HP pots/stones and using very little SP, the clerics can Solo very effectively. If they wanted to "power level" themselves, they can, it'll just require Pots and stones. Most other classes all require Pots/Stones in the first place to level effectively anyways.

Saying that, Clerics therefore don't "cost" very much. Since all classes can equally use Alchemy Skills, Clerics can make a lot of money because they never spend money on Pots/Stones. That can save you 2-3s per level. That adds up to almost 20-30s every 10 levels. That ain't too shabby.

On top of that, the buff spells they get are rediculous. They can self-buff better than any other class because they can produce scroll AND use self-buff spells. Although players can ask for buffs, the cleric just has them. He doesn't have to waste time finding a guy to buff him. So, he's very good at timely leveling.

Although the Cleric deals the least amount of damage, it doesn't matter. They should. They heal have an endurance-factor (not the actual stat) of about 5-6x more than any other character. Spam-heal and just slow-roll your damage. It's a marathon, not a race. You've got a target goal way ahead, and you're well ready to just stay alive until then.

Clerics have the advantage of taking on higher level mobs before any other class with their own buffs, their healing, and the by adding it the Scrolls they can make. That's twice as much stuff that other classes can't have.

Most clerics go with some sort of 2:1 END:STR build, to untilize the long-lastednest, while trying to boost up damage a little bit. Even the 2:1 STR:END builds aren't bad either... they try to dish out a bit more damage, but not a whole lot. Again, it's a marathon when soloing.

As a note, this is mostly about soloing. Since this game can allow many characters to efffectively solo up to level 40 and possibly 50, you have to think of it that way. Other characters eventually have to group together or they just can't gain EXP well enough. Clerics can solo their entire way and do it with better Mobs.

@Groups: When grouping, Clerics are a must-have. Healing a tank in a KQ or just an upper-level Mob is key. Plus, they buff the group and you're all just nutz. Clerics are always wanted... how many other classes can easily say that? Fighters are key, but you can have a entire group of clerics. One tanks, the other few just spam-heal... you don't even need Fighters.

Those reasons alone make the cleric just rediculous. They're a very easy class to play since they're cheap, easy to level, have a high endurance toleration, and just outlast most characters, plus they're always wanted to any group, even a group of nothing but clerics... all positives, with relatively no (if any) drawbacks... pretty sweet bargain.

For these reasons, they're also really fun because it's very hard to be disgruntled with the cleric class... no one every complains about their cleric. Keep that in mind (no headaches playing a cleric!)

i like being a cleric TBH! Because i hardly need to use any pots so i can basically train for free.
Also i find i get alot more drops from my cleric than i do from my mage and archer.
ALSO.......... i find clerics alot easier to train for some reason.......

Clerics vs mage/archers/fighters en masse = lose, but only in situations of 7v7 or more imo (with archer and mages focus firing and kiting clerics and fighters massing devastate). xD

clerics also have other disadvantages like having low damage and sometimes being spammed with impolite requests for healing and buffs... but anyway if you like clerics then play as one?

if any one asks me for a buff my reply is " kiss the fatest part of my ass"
i meen we get taken for granted from heals buffs and revives i meen where is the point of it we are humans we are not slaves and will not stand by and be taken advantage of