Sigh.
 

I had a huge debate in 3rd hour today with like 3-4 people. What about? Gays/Lesbians.

They knew nothing. Had no evidence of the things they said were true and no real experience with such people. They kept saying they chose to be that way...

Ugh. Ugh.

One kid seriously said.. flat out.. "Gays should be shot." Really? I will never understand such hatred! EVER! How could you ever want to end a life? How?

No one I know who is gay, chose to be. Why would they want to make their life harder than it has to be?

I offended so many people. I basically said that religion has ruined how people think. No free thinking.

These kids were saying, "The bible tells me it's wrong." So basically, their religion.. something that is supposed to be a good thing in their life and tell them to love thy neighbor... is causing such hatred. I just.. I just can't understand it. It breaks my heart to hear such hatred and ignorance. It breaks my heart that they honestly don't have the ability to think for themselves.

This is not meant to turn into some huge debate.. I'm sharing my day.

Once again, sigh.

Yeah..there's a mormon in my class who thinks gays choose to be gay. Though she says she doesn't hate them she just thinks it isn't right, but anyway. How can you choose what turns you on and what doesn't? What attracts you and what doesn't? And I don't really understand how they can say they choose to be gay when the actual gay people all say they didn't choose to be gay.. Though I do believe that in a few years/decades things for gays will get better.

As I think about it now, it hurts me.

I know, I can be a cruel and blunt person but I would never wish for death on a person. Someone who has done nothing wrong. They are just living as themself.

One girl kept saying they go through a spiritual thing in their life and thats when they choose. Uhh.. nope. Nothing like that has ever happened in any gay person's life that I know of. They just found themselves looking at the same sex and they knew. Then they said, "Well, then there's something wrong in their head." IT'S NOT A DISEASE/ILLNESS/DISORDER. >_____<

This might get a lot of religious people upset, but this is my view..

I think that it's rather ironic that.. I thought with the bible it tells you to love everyone, accept everyone, but here we are with homosexuals they want them burn them O_o

So many contradictions... so many things I cant understand why they believe in it..

Exactly.

:/

Do you go to a religious school? Or just happen that those you talked to are religious?

Nope. Just a regular public school. It's a small town. The town is a square mile basically. Most kid's families have been their all their lives. Most are religious.. a lot are very religious. Christian and catholic primarily.

Smile town.. sounds like a nice town! XD

Sometimes religious can be good.. like I've been to a few weddings lately where it's held at the church and they're a lot more formal and binding than those that are not religious...

But yeah.. I like my own views...

... So you're saying that those people were Christian-Catholics? Then I'm deeply ashamed for them... I'm a Christian-Catholic myself and, never in my life have I heard of such ignorance and nonsense-in reality... What could be more embarrassing than contradicting yourself, making a fool out of yourself and simply... failing... especially in a debate... formal or informal... blaaaaaah what a shame X_X

Begun the path to enlightenment, you have.

Might I suggest some reading? Christopher Hitchens's God Is Not Great would probably be a good start.

Just making sure..

Is this directed at me?

Anyone could benefit, but primarily, yes.

I'm not sure how I have begun the path to enlightenment. This is how I've always thought/been.

And sure.. I'll look into that o:

Ah, I must have had a mental glitch, there. I had thought you had a fairly religious upbringing, although now I can't articulate why I thought that. Hmm.

Nope. My parents didn't want to force anything on me and my brothers. They let us find things out for ourselves and decide.

Well, kudos to them, then.

Not sure why that made me laugh..

Aha.

I just pictured Hraes talking like a old man stroking his beard..

@Sera - Yes I guess you get different types of christian/catholics? Some read the bible like it's facts.. some believes it but never enforce it on others...

So I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. I am a lesbian and have been for as long as I remember. I didn't choose to be this way I believe I was born this way. It's nice to see that the people on here are excepting it makes me smile =]. Some people just choose to hate what they don't understand and there's nothing we can do about that. Ignorance is bliss and I choose to ignore the dumb hateful thig that people say and think nothing of them

Ps ignore the spell fails in this post I am writing this on my iPhone

Pss this website needs a mobile version js js XD

I usually find the best way to trip up the "They choose it!" argument is to ask when exactly they chose to be straight.

LOL I pictured him as our CLF (Christian Life Formation. It's a uhh... Well, it's a subject.) teacher. All wise and that shit. xD

Yeah, I can imagine a huge mess if these different types of Christian-Catholics meet in an open forum or debate or just talk about the whole thing or whatever. And you're right, some of them read the Bible like all the things in it are facts, there are those who take things too literally, there are those who take things too figuratively, there are those who've read everything yet remain confused about what the writings are trying to mean, or what the reality (about it) is. Well, that's religion .-. I mean for example, if you're a Christian-Catholic like I am, you can't tell a Hindu that he/she's going to hell if he/she commits suicide, if there isn't even any such thing as hell in Hinduism (this is just an example, I have... no ideas about Hinduism and uhh, Hindu damnation/damnation in terms of Hinduism (though, I personally think that there's bound to be damnation everywhere lol)). I mean who knows what will happen, what's really true or whatever, I'm not even sure if the things I'm typing are what I'm really trying to mean, @.@ There are even those who claim to be strong believers yet they go against what they believe, which is just absurd rofl. I admit there are even times when I question and doubt things. But ah well, in the advent of such, my sister just keeps telling me that religion is religion and faith is faith. Blahblahblah. Then we'd end up in an argument and things end up all the same. The end. *.*

+1.

You'll just go to hell for being a dirty double-poster.

nuuuuuuu D: me no wan hellz pl0x

Sorry, I just asked...

http://loljesus.com/submissions/lolj...go_to_hell.jpg

HAHAH!! I like that...

I think it's those who talk figuratively that gets me confused.. @_@ But I'm not too concern that I don't understand them LOL..

This is kinda an interesting read for the non-religious people.. or the religious ones who wont be offended..

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/you-wo...1222-lbr8.html

The bible was a nice fantasy novel, it's up their with lord of the rings.

Sad fact, but dont forget that plenty of us are different. i have 2 gay friends, and im still religious... Really, the problem isnt religion, but the people. they're sheep.

*headdesk@the rest of this thread*...

1. Christ preached unity, not seclusion.

2. Mary wasnt the one to proclaim Jesus as the son of God.

I've met too many people like that. :zzz:

But here's my opinion on such a sensitive topic:

I think being homosexual is just a different balance of hormones than people who are otherwise. You're not born that way (it's not genetic) and it's not much of a choice. Your hormone balance can rapidly change, especially during and after puberty.

Religion does exactly that. People become sheep, regurgitating what others say.

Religion doesnt do that... the people do. though you could argue that religion and faith are different...

My perspective is that religion/faith is fine, if looked at correctly. People misinterpret it, but it can be something really beautiful and true if its looked at in the right way.

Example: genetics. A perfectly pure, good thing. However, nazis take it and use it to justify anti-semetism, therefore corrupting it, and making it something that it wasn't initially meant for.

lame example, but its all i can think of at this time of night.

isnt religion, or more specifically catholic/christian, the reason why same sex marriage are not permitted in most jurisdictions?!

you have gay friends, but would you mind if they got married?

and it's PEOPLE that created religion right?! So.. that goes hand in hand?

Of course i wouldnt. I think that, seeing as the bible was written by humans, certain parts could be twisted and corrupted. Of course the argument that one loose thread leads to the whole thing unraveling, but there's really no credence to that.

Also, there's the theory that Jesus's coming canceled out the laws of moses, as he stated himself.

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Proof pl0x.

@hessah: not sure if i made it entirely clear in my last statement, but i AM pro-gay marriage.

Lmao did you really just ask me for proof? Why doesn't a religious person like yourself provide "proof" of these biblical events actually happening and being fact? So my belief is along the same lines as yours.

Exactly. So this is really a rather pointless argument, seeing as neither side has proof, isnt it?

My initial point was thus:

Religion, or faith, rather, is a safe, pure thing. Its corruption and bigotry within human beings, along with our resistance to thinking for ourselves, that makes it a tool of hate.

Doesnt exactly relate, but its general message does.

I wasn't arguing. Your defensiveness is annoying.

Hmmm good to see that young minds probably moving forward regardless of "what the bible said"...

Though if I ever wanna be religions I think I'll go buddhism... xD


Wait I missed a few post.. Proof? I was just gonna question how you proved that Mary was a virgin, Jesus died and came back alive, and that his body disappeared magically into a better place...?