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Enraya 11-02-2007 10:23 AM

Pwn
 

Clerics > Fighters (and Archers) = Archer > Mage > Cleric

... etc.

Am I right?

Cause clerics own fighters as they are able to keep healing whatever fighters deal them, and clerics also own archers because if archers deal DOT damage, clercis could cure (and there's also the old saying that clerics can win anything they can outheal). Fighters are about equal to archers in my opinion. Archers are mage KILLERS because with DOT damage they leech the hp off in seconds. Added with archer's nice damage, mage is gone in seconds. And I think Mages are the only class to have more than a slim chance against clerics. Clerics can outheal a lot, but can they outheal the nuker of a mage? By the time a cleric tries to heal she's already dead.

X_________________________________________X

Planning ahead for PvP.

Blaaaaaaaah 11-02-2007 10:53 AM

Wrong.

Clerics do not pwn all classes - I can tell you that. Even if we can heal ourselves, we take FOREVER to kill, trust me. I lost count of how many people I failed to kill kill by myself because of my crappy damage. But I know people have a hard time killing me from time to time because of my heals.

Fighters tank a lot and take forever to kill - especially if they're full END.

Can't say much about archers/mages. I rarely do a 1v1 pvp when it's guildwar - I am always ganging up on people or being ganged up on.

Uh, I could say more but mental blank at the moment.

O-mie 11-02-2007 10:55 AM


Clerics take a while to kill if they're only healing themselves, but they don't really kill all that well, lol :s They're good at staying alive, not killing xD

Enraya 11-02-2007 11:00 AM


Lol yesh, bad damage for clerics. Played one till lvl 17 but then quit and moved to Teva because I had to grind all the time. They are loved by parties though! XD

Blaaaaaaaah 11-02-2007 11:04 AM

Yupyup.

If you make a cleric and fighter vs, it till take forever for the battle to end but I reckon the fighter will win because they get stun. Zzzz. I hate it when I get stunned.

Zotius 11-02-2007 11:19 AM

Yea our stun... But the trouble is that our stun lasts for 5 seconds? After all the damage we have done you just heal once and boom back to square one.

ecchix3 11-02-2007 12:02 PM

:]
 
Ive only made a fighter and a bow person :P
I like the fighter and hate the bow.
Im going to make a cleric next probally but ill use fighter most because of damage :]

Enraya 11-02-2007 01:22 PM


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You hate archers?
C'mon, you gotta love our smexeh armour.

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 01:54 PM

Oh boy, looks like I got my work cut out for me. Gimme some time. I'll prove to everyone that Mages are the greatest class and can kill off all the others with relative ease.

Blaaaaaaaah 11-02-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 35942)
Oh boy, looks like I got my work cut out for me. Gimme some time. I'll prove to everyone that Mages are the greatest class and can kill off all the others with relative ease.

Sorry to burst your little bubble but I don't think the game developers would have designed a class that's imba like that. >:

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 35943)
Sorry to burst your little bubble but I don't think the game developers would have designed a class that's imba like that. >:

The class itself does not matter. My skills are what will determine the winner. I'll fight as many people as it takes to prove Mages are superior. >:]

Hessah 11-02-2007 02:07 PM

- decided to delete my comment -

As far as I know you still hvnt fought anyone, so talk after you've proven yourself? how about that?

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 35948)
- decided to delete my comment -

As far as I know you still hvnt fought anyone, so talk after you've proven yourself? how about that?

I have to talk the talk before I walk the walk. >;]

Gah... that saying is so lame. D:

Hessah 11-02-2007 02:14 PM

doing > talking.

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 35952)
doing > talking.

Me > you.

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 35945)
The class itself does not matter. My skills are what will determine the winner. I'll fight as many people as it takes to prove Mages are superior. >:]

What skills? How fast you can smash your hp stones/pots? Fiesta isn't much about "skills", it's more of who's got bigger pockets to waste pots, as far as pvp goes. No skills needed to smash button, even a slightly challenged monkey can bash the "q" button and pot button as the same rate of anyone else. So stop trying to prove what everyone is already capable of doing such as yourself. And on top of that, add me to your hater fan list club. Your ego is so into the stratosphere...

Enraya 11-02-2007 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 35942)
Oh boy, looks like I got my work cut out for me. Gimme some time. I'll prove to everyone that Mages are the greatest class and can kill off all the others with relative ease.

>=D
We'll see.

Mages are great, sure, but they aren't the greatest of all time. Without fighters, mages would be dead in a hit. Without clerics, who would you turn to for a rez and a heal? Without archers, who's going to kill you in PvP? It works out. ^^

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by .o0O0O0o. (Post 35962)
What skills? How fast you can smash your hp stones/pots? Fiesta isn't much about "skills", it's more of who's got bigger pockets to waste pots, as far as pvp goes. No skills needed to smash button, even a slightly challenged monkey can bash the "q" button and pot button as the same rate of anyone else. So stop trying to prove what everyone is already capable of doing such as yourself. And on top of that, add me to your hater fan list club. Your ego is so into the stratosphere...

I feel so sorry for your parents. Having to raise a child as dumb as you must've been a real pain in the ass. My posts are rarely ever serious. They're either sarcastic or just jokes. I have no ego, but what I do have is a never ending hatred for morons like you who take EVERYTHING way too seriously. Obviously there's no skill involved. Its button mashing and spamming at its best. But then again... who's to say it doesn't require some skill to keep a constant eye on your HP/SP and heal them when needed? Hm?

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 02:42 PM

From the moment you stepped into FF, you raved about becoming "da best", there no such thing. Your post are so abraisive, i could use 'em to scrub my heels. Most everything you post are mostly self centered. Sure i'll admit that playing a mage is a bit more challenging since we don't have auto-attack. And prove the fact that i am dumb as you say that I am.

Maybe you're one of those that like to stir the water, who knows, but from what you've posted, you portrait yourself as a selfish prick.

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by .o0O0O0o. (Post 36001)
From the moment you stepped into FF, you raved about becoming "da best", there no such thing. Your post are so abraisive, i could use 'em to scrub my heels. Most everything you post are mostly self centered. Sure i'll admit that playing a mage is a bit more challenging since we don't have auto-attack. And prove the fact that i am dumb as you say that I am.

Again, its called a joke. Pull that stick thats lodged up your ass out. Anyone who takes my posts seriously needs help. Thats why I began using those stupid emoticons so people wouldn't take me serious. But I guess people like you just don't understand that. And every post you've made towards me is proof enough.

Hessah 11-02-2007 02:47 PM

Jokes are fine, but ur jokes are offensive and its not funny. if you NEVER have anything serious to say please go to Mountain of Spam.

On Topic: Agree with Lightning. I like your last theory XD

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 35986)
I feel so sorry for your parents. Having to raise a child as dumb as you must've been a real pain in the ass.

This is your joke? Riiight...

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 36006)
Jokes are fine, but ur jokes are offensive and its not funny. if you NEVER have anything serious to say please go to Mountain of Spam.

On Topic: Agree with Lightning. I like your last theory XD

Then thats your fault. My jokes aren't there to make everyone laugh. Just me. I have plenty of serious things to say but when it comes to topics like these, I don't.

@.o0O0O0o.: Actually, no. Thats an insult. Good to know you can tell the difference. Notice the lack of emoticons? That right there should tip you off that i'm being serious.

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 36003)
Again, its called a joke. Pull that stick thats lodged up your ass out. Anyone who takes my posts seriously needs help. Thats why I began using those stupid emoticons so people wouldn't take me serious. But I guess people like you just don't understand that. And every post you've made towards me is proof enough.

So what's that in bold then? Show me your joke....*taps his foot*

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 36003)
Me > you.

That serious too? I don't see emoticons....

Hessah 11-02-2007 02:53 PM

was just gonna say that... u beat me to it o0o0o0o.... XD

Blaaaaaaaah 11-02-2007 02:54 PM

Stop flaming each other. Now.

MagesRequiem 11-02-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by .o0O0O0o. (Post 36012)
So what's that in bold then? Show me your joke....*taps his foot*

Do you even bother to think before you post something? Or do you just go ahead and reply despite not fully understanding what its directed at? Try reading your post then my post again. Hopefully, if you read it this time, you'll understand it.

@.o0O0O0o.: Actually, yes it is. There are no emoticons in that because there's nothing that really goes with that. Sorry you have no common sense.

Dynamics 11-02-2007 03:21 PM

Yeah, I reckon clerics and fighters are more catered for survivability, whilst archers and mages the opposite. I don't think it'd be correct to say any class is better than one another in PvP at the moment, because most fights are stacked anyway. One guild will have more people, or more people of a substantially higher level. Even in one on one combat, there's no such thing as "3 hit knockdowns" if both players are of equal level, regardless of their class. It's just the reality of things at present.

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 03:24 PM

GWs put a hole in everyone's wallet >.<

Stryfe 11-02-2007 03:32 PM

I've PvP'd...alot and I can say that classes are pretty much even in terms of PVP. In the end, it truely relies on who can pot/stone the most. Fighter Vs. Cleric 1v1 will never end. It's about who has the most patience to sit there and hit the same thing for the next couple of hours.

Now..without applying stones/Pots in the mix, PvP gets more interesting. PvP suddenly involves a heavy amount of strategy, and just spamming whatever you have.

Clerics, will surely have the upperhand in a 1v1 fight without any stones for they can heal and survive for a long time, while they wittle away at their opponents HP. There are of course ways around this. In my experience, I've found 2 ways to actually best a cleric 1v1, though it's pretty hard.

Also, against Archers/Mages, kiting is possible and a truely effective tactic in 1v1 pvp against fighters. As for as I know, since I dont have an archer/mage, I really wouldnt know how to knock off a Cleric 1v1 without stones.

The thing is, 1v1 isnt usually the case, because outside organized fights, there will always be stoning/potting, and thats when it becomes Our Combined Damage Vs Your Stone/Pot HP Recovery and possible outside heals.

Zwivix 11-02-2007 05:14 PM

If your looking for a class to pwn its gonna be a Fighter, they are the best tanks. Archers could prossibly be the second best Tanks in the game if you make a Spr/End build.

But Clerics are slow fighters they are more of back ups. Not saying that Clerics are bad but there is no point in having them tank or go on the front lines since they are supposed to back up the Warrior, Archer, or Mage.

rokaraged 11-02-2007 05:17 PM

I just saw this thread and WOW


So many things wrong...

For one this guy is mainly talking on a 1v1 basis...But guild wars are usually NEVER in ths case...

Clerics used to be overpowered in cb1 but nowadays after taking a few clubbings from the nerf stick their not too hard to kill with a few others in PVP. You never take a cleric 1v1 thats just stupid... But clerics are VIRTUALLY useless against the ranged classes because of hit and run. They HAVE NO STUN therefore no ability to keep thier target still so they can hit it. Archer's will be hard for the cleric because of the cleric's HOPELESSLY LOW aim. Mages will just churn the cleric's SP out..

Fighters are okay, 1handed shilders are nothing more then distractions but spr str axe fighters with a couple of skill crits can crack down anything. 2 figthers with proper timing together can stun lock a cleric making him virtually useless for most of the time.

Archers are virtually useless for the first few couple of levels but once they get thier stackable poisons they become more powerful. It would be NICE though to see the SUPPOSED archer traps..

mages...are kinda like archers early in the beginning but grow in use with thier variety of powers. They can do more then just fire off flaming turds of doom IE slowing fighters, draining mana, Aoeing, removing curses...

IMO most of the classes balanced for the time being..

Spirit 11-02-2007 06:31 PM

My personal opinion. GMs > ALL of us combined!!!! :eek:

Also, WHY can we (and I say we, so as not to point any one person out in general) can we not just accept that everybody has their PREFERRED character they play. They play this character because THEY like it. It does not make any other class better than the other, it does not make any other class worse than the others. It is an on-line game meant to be played with other people and other classes. This means all classes have their weaknesses and strengths. Together we can kick ass against the mobs, alone we can do the same but it is easier and more fun when you have friends to help you. I will stop here before I get in trouble. :D

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 06:38 PM

After reading another post (not that i tested it, just reporting), it seems like one of the cashshop item (hp whatever) doesn't have a cooldown. Yay for those who have money to burn :) *goes to buys some*

*edit*
Come to think of it, that's why GMs don't die...they don't have cooldowns o.O

Zwivix 11-02-2007 06:54 PM

Evil GM's!

Well I might check out the Cash Shop, how do you get to the Cash Shop. And while im here how do you make all the people and mini shops disappear? is it Shift+T?

.o0O0O0o. 11-02-2007 06:56 PM

For cash shop, there's a button at the bottom right corner of the screen, i think it's a blue bag or something right next to the head. And to go ninja is shift-z.

Zwivix 11-02-2007 06:57 PM

Oh okay thanks ^^

Hessah 11-02-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .o0O0O0o. (Post 36100)
After reading another post (not that i tested it, just reporting), it seems like one of the cashshop item (hp whatever) doesn't have a cooldown. Yay for those who have money to burn :) *goes to buys some*

*edit*
Come to think of it, that's why GMs don't die...they don't have cooldowns o.O

no cool down is bad... i'll spam a few pots by accident and i'll be more broke than u think XD

Enraya 11-03-2007 04:20 AM


Spamming pots without cooldown is no problem for me, I already do that >.>
I put my HP pots on hotkey 5 and my SP pots on hotkey 6 and i keep on spamming 6 when I'm supposed to be spamming 5. And then I die and I lose money. I'm so broke right now ... >.<

Lol yeah anyways, back on topic. True that GMs > everyone. And today I just got the concept of guild war. You can attack members of the opposing guild anywhere? In Elderine too!? I should get rid of the thought that Elderine is peaceful ...

rokaraged 11-03-2007 03:13 PM

bud 99% of the guild wars occur in elderine
1% is in uruga..
potion and stone spamming can be outdone..easily but eh your already burning an x amount of silvers by doing both


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